Black Mannikins

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Re: Black Mannikins

Post by w.l. » Mon May 01, 2017 10:49 pm

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Gelatik Timor > ‎European Society of Lonchura Breeders
How hard/easy to breed are Black Mannikins? Especially wild-caught ones.
I have just got 6 of them.

Mark Price
With many of these type of manikin, they pair up while still in juvenile plumage. Pair up adult birds is far less successful than with juvenile birds.
I'd place all birds together with coloured split rings, give them lots of cover from grasses and bamboos. If and when a pair start to show interest in nesting, remove the rest.
Lots of green millet and green rice if you can get it to stimulate breeding.

Gelatik Timor
Only 2 of mine are young, the others adults. Of course I keep them all together.
I am afraid to give my birds green rice due to heavy use of pesticides. They get soaked/sprouted seeds, though these ones have ignored it so far.

Gelatik Timor
Looks like not many members can chip in with personal experiences.
How common or rare is this species in Europe?

Mark Price
Very rare in Europe as far as I know. And in uk only ever heard of them a couple of times

David Williams
I would like to keep these but I've only seen 1 pair for sale at Zwolle a couple of years ago they looked like older birds

Gelatik Timor
Thanks.
Sounds like they are quite rare indeed. Or perhaps circulate among specialists only.
I was asking because someone told me that "in Europe they are bred like Societies and can't even be sold". Sounds like a bit of an overstatement. :-)

David Williams
There was someone at Newark sale last year with a" wanted Lonchura Stygia" sign on his table i spoke to him & he told me there were very few breeders in Nl. & Belgium & he was struggling to find any birds

Simone Olgiati
Very hard to breed without society finch as foster parents

Andy Machin
I kept these birds for a number of years.
They were easy to keep and very sociable birds.
I unfortunately for most of the time only had cock birds. I eventually obtained an ageing hen off a friend. I managed to get one egg and reared one chick which was a cock bird!! They were easy to sex, the hen was very dull colouring on the tail and the black didn't have the deep gloss shine of the cock birds.
Every person I knew that had kept them had found them pretty easy to breed if you are lucky enough to get a pair.

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Re: Black Mannikins

Post by lovezebs » Tue May 02, 2017 12:21 am

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Gelatik Timor, eh? Interesting choice....

So at least you know that green millet and green rice will put them in a romantic frame of mind. Can you get that stuff over where you are, seeing as over here I wouldn't even know where to begin looking for these two items.

The one fellow states that they are easy to sex and to breed, with the hens having a much duller plumage than the males. Are any of your guys more or less dull or bright than the others.
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Re: Black Mannikins

Post by w.l. » Tue May 02, 2017 1:39 am

As I had said on FB, green rice would be easy to get here, but I avoid it due to heavy use of pesticides. Green millet I would have to plant myself.
Differences in plumage color are not as obvious in live birds as on paper. Plus young males are also brownish, like females. But I have 6, my friend nearby the other 7. Out of mine, one has been seen singing, out of his, two. Hopefully we don't just have 13 males between us! That should be pretty unlikely with wild-caught birds.

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Re: Black Mannikins

Post by lovezebs » Tue May 02, 2017 8:27 am

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You're right, you did mention the green rice issue.
For some reason I'd thought it was one of the other people :oops:

If you and your friend have three males between the two of you, then its doable for breeding, that's if you can get them to actually bond with whichever females are in the group . Hopefully they are not all males :lol: .
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Re: Black Mannikins

Post by w.l. » Tue May 02, 2017 8:34 am

Based on color, I am pretty sure I have at least two additional adult males among my 6 birds, even if they still feel too shy to burst into song.
So I just hope that I have at least 2, but of course ideally 3 hens, too.

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Re: Black Mannikins

Post by Babs _Owner » Tue May 02, 2017 12:09 pm

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Sorry I missed this. They are gorgeous!! =D>

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Re: Black Mannikins

Post by lovezebs » Tue May 09, 2017 7:55 am

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How are the blacks doing?
Any interest in nests yet?

I forget if I've asked before, but what type of a song do the males have, is it similar at all to Society song, or altogether different?
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Re: Black Mannikins

Post by w.l. » Tue May 09, 2017 8:06 am

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Nests???
By wild-caught nuns shortly after arrival?
They are not like Societies! :D

I don't even give them nesting material before they go into a bigger cage or aviary.
And don't even plan to try before the next rainy season (winter).

As for the song, it is typical of nuns, eg you are more likely to see than hear them sing.
One shouldn't keep these for their song.

For now, I am happy they seem to be healthy.

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