What Are These?

[Stuart whiting]

Fraza that advert is about something else and not the bird in question,

I can assure you that this bird is a mutation eumo Siberian Goldie, I know because I've had and bred em about 10-12 years ago and cost me the best part of about £400 each, personally I think that they are a waist of money but is each to their own,

They are definitely 100 % not canary hybrids

[haroun]

Hi Totaly agree with Stu. Seberian goldfinch and european goldfinch parva. We have some of thrm herewe can finf them in some pet store. They are huge and to expensive

Hi there mate,

Long time no here, how yer doing, hope you and yer birds are keeping well

Hi stuart i'm fine. Hope same for u. Yeah but i was offline on the site. U too we have not read u since perhaps a year. What do u think about my two Blackcheek Greycheek combo males they're in thesame section

[andiok]

lovezebs
hey i dont know how i missed this one.
you're talking about my birds here

those are goldfinch mutations mostly coming from the subspecies of Carduelis Cardueli, the Carduelis Major (Siberian Goldfinch)
There are a lot of mutations of the goldfinch now, with the yellow being my favorite https://www.google.ca/search?q=cardelli ... HSj2ClVvVM:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=cardelli ... HSj2ClVvVM:

I've breed them for about 5yrs and then just gave up on them because they have absolutely no quality of their song.
Yes, they are beautiful but no song.
I mixed them with the smallest size of european goldfinches, Carduelis Tschusii but the song didnt really get better so got rid of them.
And yes Stuart is right, they go up to $1200 for rare mutations.

The other kind that you've posted though from that greek forum, is what i kept breeding. Those are the pied european goldfinches and the pic you have posted there is a total pied white european goldfinch. This guys have nothing to do with the satines, lutinos, or albino siberian goldfinches.
They come from nature are not mutations. They have leucistic genes in them and show them as pied birds, mostly white throated pied.
Check my first posts in here and you'll see a lot of my pied birds in there.
here is some of them in an old video with bad quality.sry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaa4j9UVPU

[Stuart whiting]

lovezebs
hey i dont know how i missed this one.
you're talking about my birds here

those are goldfinch mutations mostly coming from the subspecies of Carduelis Cardueli, the Carduelis Major (Siberian Goldfinch)
There are a lot of mutations of the goldfinch now, with the yellow being my favorite https://www.google.ca/search?q=cardelli ... HSj2ClVvVM:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=cardelli ... HSj2ClVvVM:

I've breed them for about 5yrs and then just gave up on them because they have absolutely no quality of their song.
Yes, they are beautiful but no song.
I mixed them with the smallest size of european goldfinches, Carduelis Tschusii but the song didnt really get better so got rid of them.
And yes Stuart is right, they go up to $1200 for rare mutations.

The other kind that you've posted though from that greek forum, is what i kept breeding. Those are the pied european goldfinches and the pic you have posted there is a total pied white european goldfinch. This guys have nothing to do with the satines, lutinos, or albino siberian goldfinches.
They come from nature are not mutations. They have leucistic genes in them and show them as pied birds, mostly white throated pied.
Check my first posts in here and you'll see a lot of my pied birds in there.
here is some of them in an old video with bad quality.sry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaa4j9UVPU

Absolutely spot on Andy, couldn't agree more, well said

[Fraza]

Sorry for changing subject but do finches get along with fbudgies

[Stuart whiting]

Sorry for changing subject but do finches get along with fbudgies

Yea some finches do, preferably the larger finches like Java sparrow sort of size and depends if yer avairy is a reasonable size, wouldn't really advise in mixing and keeping in std cages though

[Fraza]

6 ft by 6 ft by 4ft
Hieght 2m length 2m wide 1m
Then the inside part of the aviary is: 2.5m high 1m wide by 1m

[Stuart whiting]

Hi Totaly agree with Stu. Seberian goldfinch and european goldfinch parva. We have some of thrm herewe can finf them in some pet store. They are huge and to expensive

Hi there mate,

Long time no here, how yer doing, hope you and yer birds are keeping well

Hi stuart i'm fine. Hope same for u. Yeah but i was offline on the site. U too we have not read u since perhaps a year. What do u think about my two Blackcheek Greycheek combo males they're in thesame section

Yea mate all is good and am ok, I've been very busy, have now finished me waxbill room, can see the final finished result on me waxbill birdroom thread

Just replied to yer zebra thread

Speak soon

[lovezebs]

Fraza

Fraser, I would never mix Budgies with Finches!

Budgies can get very mean and bite legs off Finches (even kill them).

I know that some people have been lucky with mixing Hookbills with Finches, but I would not take a chance on it. If you want Budgies, or other Hookbills, I would place them in a seperate cage or aviary.

[Fraza]

lovezebs thanks and sorry for changing your thread topic but I might leave tbthen don’t fancy walking out In The morning to see coco with a missing leg

[andiok]

Stuart whiting
You’re absolutely right Stuart. They are very expensive and just pretty. Some of my canaries can have a better song then them and being a song lover I got rid of them. Nothing like the carduelis carduelis species in regards to the beautiful and melancholic song.

[Stuart whiting]

andiok

I tell yer what Andy, I specifically bred and specialised just purely in linnets for a good number of years a few years back and I honestly think that a very good cock linnet will always take some beating as far as song is concerned,

I personally much prefer the song of a linnet over a goldie as to me a good linnet song just seems more powerful but in a different kind of way

[andiok]

Stuart whiting
I hear you!
I’ve had some cocks of linnet but just to get some mules from my goldie hens, you know just for the song. As you know mules with Goldie’s are the best maestros for the young Goldie’s. The prob with linnet mules was that they tend to deform the song into their voices, unlike the mules with canaries or venezuelas BUT I never had a mule singer more potent then with linnets.
Another thing with linnets that bothered me was that I was never able to keep their red chest and front like the wild linnets. Tried everything possible, all their natural diet and kept them outdoor when they molted but I was never able to see their beautiful red

[lovezebs]

Stuart whiting andiok

Hi Fellas,

Is this the Linnet which you are talking about?
Can they be crossed with Canaries?

[Stuart whiting]

Stuart whiting
I hear you!
I’ve had some cocks of linnet but just to get some mules from my goldie hens, you know just for the song. As you know mules with Goldie’s are the best maestros for the young Goldie’s. The prob with linnet mules was that they tend to deform the song into their voices, unlike the mules with canaries or venezuelas BUT I never had a mule singer more potent then with linnets.
Another thing with linnets that bothered me was that I was never able to keep their red chest and front like the wild linnets. Tried everything possible, all their natural diet and kept them outdoor when they molted but I was never able to see their beautiful red

Yep know what yer saying Andy, I've spoken much about the colour of linnets many times and all avairy bred captive linnets never seem to gain the red chest during the breeding season,

Over the years I've watched Linnets during very early spring on me local tidal estuary salt marshes and have actually seem lots of linnets feeding on the ground amongst the mudflats and shingle etc,

my belief is that whilst they are feeding they are taking in vital minerals and other micro nutritional contents from the ground and is quite highly possible that this is how they could partly gain there colour amongst other reasons