Gouldian Fledgling Mutation ID??? (pics attached)

[Chris103]

I'm at a loss as to what color/mutation this guy is! At first, I was thinking WB SFYB...but now I'm not so sure. This chick looked like a Dilute or Normal GB as a hatchling.... but as you can see, he's feathered out quite odd! Siblings are YB and SFYB that is rather dark for a Dilute.

Parents...
Male: BH-PB-SFYB
Female:BH-PB-YB

Out of 14 chicks this pair has only produced YB hens, DF and SFYB males. No WB, or any other surprises have shown up in their offspring. ...although it is possible for them to have hidden genes.
Please excuse the dirty nest! This pair is very sensitive to....well, everything lol.
Would this chick be a Clearwing....or something else entirely?

These pictures are of the same three chicks...just different lightning/flash.

[josh1810]

I'm gonna say, and I am no expert that it's going to be a dilute....

As for the WB question, unless they are both split for WB you shouldn't produce any since both parents are PB....

I believe at diultes vary in green a bit, or at least I have saw some... Maybe that will help... I'm sure someone will come in soon...

[ppg5tu]

Chris103

Looks like a dilute for sure. We just had a clutch of 6 hatch with 4 normal GB and 2 dilutes, one of which looks just like your bird there. They definitely vary a lot in color. We have had a dilute that almost looked like a YB and also a dilute that looked almost like a GB, only way to tell was the gray lines instead of black. Congrats

[Chris103]

ppg5tu
Thanks!
I know he's some sort of Dilute...but I've never hatched one quite like this. It's flights are pure yellow as in Clearwing Gouldians. You're definitely right about Dilutes varying in color...the darker GB looking chick is actually a Dilute. Ive had light Dilutes before, but this one is unlike any I've ever had. Hopefully he'll be quick on the molt, and we can see how he turns out!

Do you have a picture of your light Dilute?

[Chris103]

I've exchanged emails with Winnie McAlpin... of Delmar Gouldian Avairy, and she believes the bird in question is in fact a Clearwing! She has had them in the past, including a Clearwing Blue (white flight feathers), but had to make room for the well known USA Lutino Project, and couldn't keep the other mutations. Apparently Belgium has Clearwings, but it has yet to be established as a separate mutation.

Looks like yet another New project to work on!

[MiaCarter]

What color is the middle of the three beak nodules on the mystery bird?
I can't be sure from the photos, but it looks yellowish which I believe would also support the theory that it's a dilute. (Otherwise, it would be white, I believe, right?....But then again, I have no idea what nodule color you see on clearwings. Something to investigate!)

Can't wait to see how these lovelies grow up!

[Chris103]

MiaCarter
The bird is a Dilute (SFYB), but also a Clearwing.... so a Clearwing Dilute. His nodules looked almost exactly like his more typically colored SFYB sibling. I'm assuming that the Clearwing gene affects the ground color as well. ... just based on the difference between siblings which are both SFYB. Again, just an assumption....there is VERY little literature regarding Clearwings.

[Chris103]

MiaCarter
You can see the nodules in pic #4...if you zoom in.

[finchandlovebird]

Can you explain Clearwings? I did a search on the net but didn't find anything.

[Chris103]

finchandlovebird
Clearwing in Gouldians results in yellow flight feathers instead of green/black/brown...on green/SFYB birds. In blues, the flights would be white...since BB birds dont produced yellow the same as in Green birds.

I believe it is more of a modification rather than a true mutation...though Im not 100% on that part. Some people list it as a modification, while others as a mutation!

Does that help. .. or did I make it worse lol?

[finchandlovebird]

thanks Chris. After reading your posts & seeing your pics, it made me look hard at some of my birds......it is pretty complicated, and I'm not going to worry about it