Air Sac Mites or Respiratory Infection?

[finchlover24]

lovezebs That's me! I don't know how you can't see it. Try a different browser? I can't attach the darn videos. Let me try a different link:

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO ... ExNlFVUzdn

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO ... hVVGt6Ny13

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO ... 5lVzNyNWFB

How about now?

[Sally]

I'm sorry to say she really looks terrible in the video. I've gone back to your original thread and I'm confused. You originally asked for help because Mr. Meepin's poop looked odd. Then it looks like you started BOTH birds on Medistatin, Tri-Sulfa, Ronex? May I ask why you gave all these meds to both birds, if that is what you did?

[Sally]

I also have to question why the vet didn't explain to you why she could not treat Cooper? Did she feel the bird was too far gone anyway? At the least, she could have taken a fecal sample, I would think.

[lovezebs]

finchlover24

Hi Vanessa.

Got it now.
Your girl looks very uncomfortable and not well at all. I wish I could tell you how to help her......

Personally, I would offer some warmth, and just keep her as comfortable as you can.

[finchlover24]

Sally I know :/ Terri from GlamGouldian suggested that it's Trichomonas/Canker and I need to double the dose of the Ronex. The first thread was about Meepin with his weird poop. I was told to start both birds on the Trisulfa, Ronex, and Medistatin - Meepin for his poop, and Cooper as a preventative (she did have some symptoms as well but not as strong as his.)

It was this post by cindy:

in your belly picture she noticed "The bird has good weight, but check out the puffy intestines and where the red is starting in the center of the loop"

She believes it is a gram negative bacteria which can be treated with Tri Sulfa... http://www.glamgouldians.com/product-tr ... fa.php.php

you can mix up your Tri sulfa and add Ronex 12% to it http://www.glamgouldians.com/product-ronex-es.php

both are fine to mix together.... the ronex is to knock back any giardia or cochlosoma. Tri sulfa also treats coccidia. You can treat both birds so you do not need to separate them.

after treatment follow this up with probiotics (glamgouldians sells this also) it will restore the good gut flora that the trisulfa (antibiotic) may destroy.

Again this is a guess based on the droppings and the visual on the belly.... a vet can do fecal smears to give a better picture of what is going on in the birds' systems.



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I know! She said that Cooper was too small to give Baytril to, and she wasn't sure what it could be. She didn't even run a blood test/fecal sample or look at her stomach or try listening to her chest. She said cooper could've gotten a seed stuck in her lungs, so to let it run its course. If its an infection, she didnt know what it could be and said not to give her any more medication.

[Sally]

I know! She said that Cooper was too small to give Baytril to, and she wasn't sure what it could be. She didn't even run a blood test/fecal sample or look at her stomach or try listening to her chest. She said cooper could've gotten a seed stuck in her lungs, so to let it run its course. If its an infection, she didnt know what it could be and said not to give her any more medication.

Did she say why not to give her more medication? It could be that she isn't familiar with finches (many avian vets still have little experience with finches, most of their patients tend to be larger hookbills). When she said to let it run its course if it is a seed in the lungs, did she explain what she meant?

[finchlover24]

Sally We called ahead and she said she does see finches. I emailed them ahead and spoke over the phone, told them everything about her to make sure that they could see her. She said Cooper is too small and too young for Baytril, and after being on Tri Sulfa, Ronex, and Medistatin, she doesn't advise any more medication.

She said to let it run its course (hopefully she doesnt mean Cooper dying) because Cooper is too small to put under anesthesia to get the seed out and that she wouldnt perform anything like that on her.


She just drank more water with probiotic in it! I hope that helps her. Should I double the Ronex and put it in the water now or let her stay on probiotics for a day?

[Sally]

You've gotten a lot of medical advice already, and I am not qualified to give medical advice. Personally, I would keep heat on her, keep her comfortable, keep her on the probiotics, offer her favorite foods/treats to keep her appetite up. If you have something like Survive/Thrive (these are high-energy supplements for sick birds), you could give that, but if the veterinarian said not to give her any more medication, I think I would follow that advice. You've probably done all you can do for now.

With probiotics, you should always give them for at least the same number of days that the bird has been getting medication, so if Cooper has had meds for say 7 days, then you would do probiotics for at least 7 days.

[cindy]

You are working via emails with Terri, she is the best to help you right now, there are a couple of possibilities. I would not further medicate her until you hear from Terri after your send her further info. she will be up front and tell you what she feels is in the birds best interest, even if it is seeking the help of another vet.

As Sally said keep her comfortable, probiotics are good. Do not Ronex her further until Terri can look at the pictures. Also consider some of the meds you give her are still in her system, just probiotics for now.

You mentioned a seed stuck... someone mentioned this to me "diverticulated esophagus. Crushed seeds and stuff traveled between a pocket in the skin layers" did the vet mention this term to you?

[finchlover24]

cindy No, not at all. She just said a seed stuck in her nose/lungs which might cause the noise. But she said she wouldnt risk getting it out since coopers too small.

Cooper seems a teeny tiny bit more energetic right now. Eating like a piglet from her cup, and drinking more water. She is away from the heat lamp. This probably won't last long as she might go back to her fluffed up state, but its so exciting to see her look a bit better even if its for a couple of minutes.

Terri looked at all of the photos and video. She suggests Canker/Trichomonas and thinks I should double the ronex. I'm going to leave her on probiotics for the rest of the day and see how things go. Meepin is singing to her right now while they are eating together

[cindy]

are you letting the two birds eat and be together? if your bird has canker than you need to keep the other bird away from her.

[lovezebs]

finchlover24

Keep her comfortably Vanessa.
No more meds.

[finchlover24]

cindy Oh no, they aren't together. Still separated by the grid. Separate food, water, etc.

@lovezebs She enjoyed her heat lamp but doesnt seem to want it anymore. I'll leave it anyway. Eating like a piggy!!

[finchlover24]

cindy lovezebs Here are some abdomen pictures. Took some for Terri so I figured I might as well share with you guys as well

[cindy]

Eating is a very good sign. Fingers crossed for you and your birds.