Lux is split to pied

[DanteD716]

Pied: White feathers replace normal colored feathers in random patterns.

[LuxandLolita]

That is the definition of Pied. so how do the COMPLETELY WHITE Flight feathers on the outside of the wing not make the bird pied, but split?

[cindy]

ok...The guidelines I gave you are for zebra, a split is how my pictures show, a pied zebra has white ragged patches though out the body more. Once a zebra displays that and color has been removed and replaced by white over the body, chest and head then it is considered pied

Cockatiels have different standards....so do lovebirds, as do parrotlets.

[LuxandLolita]

so a "pied" zebra finch is a clear pied.. completely white by your standards..?

[cindy]

that is a cockatiel term....it is just pied either lightly pied or heavy pied, saddleback or white pied....read Roy Beckhams pied site and Garrie Landry's site on pied I gave you earlier. You will only confuse yourself using other species terms.

[PrettyBird]

Years ago when I bred zebras I had a few pied and a few normal babies. The mother was white, and the father was normal grey.

The one pied male baby had white patches above his beak, under his chin, on the few primary feathers, and some patches on his chest.

Im not sure if a pied baby zeb can just have the back of their neck only. Maybe this baby could have been plucked just before fledging...maybe not idk

[LuxandLolita]

[cindy]

The spot on the back of the neck can be white due to plucking and the area was plucked to the point damage was done to the feather area so the feathers grow in white....your young looked plucked a bit perhapes this is why the feathers are white in that area. You will have to see what becomes of the white once the bird molts. It could be replaced with gray.

I will find you an article that explains that.

[LuxandLolita]

goodness me, i give up..

[cindy]

The two main experts and a few of the members are all saying the same thing, be patient and let you little ones molt and get their adult colors and we can better tell you what you have.

[finchmix22]

Katie
As I read this thread, I can understand where you're getting confused. I have struggled to understand the zebra genetics and mutation terms for coloring. As far as Pied, I always things of a more uneven coloring, not just the wing edges. Think of mottled or speckled rather than white; at least, that helps me to compare a pied versus a split. Cindy's references are good, if you can grasp some of the genetic lingo. I had to read and re-read those articles slowly to start to understand the complexities of the mutations and split genetics etc. Good Luck.

[Vargur]

So I was right about the plucking

I think you just have to calm down,
I was like you, overexcited about my finches.
Just be patient and enjoy them

I will show you few photos to explain the
split pied and pied.


Vargs - zebra finch hen - Fawn bb pied by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
split pied hen


Ákafi - Seldur! by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
pied male - front



Grey/pied male - Seldur! by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
pied male


Vargs - Fledglings - Allir seldir! by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
pied baby finch


Vargs Dúlla Agnadóttir - zebra finch fledgling by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
very cute fawn pied female


Vargs - Ungar undan Agna og Ágötu by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
fawn split pied baby zebra


Vargs - Fawn/split pied chick by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
the same zebra as above


Vargs - Ungar undan Agna og Ágötu by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
pied baby zebra


Agata by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
grey isabel split pied


Heavy pied zebra finch#1 - female - Alba by Elma_Ben, on Flickr
heavy pied zebra female

[Ameza]

I agree with you I think the pied mutation is one of the cutest I really love it in fawns and lighter mutations.

I have had zebs for 2 years now, and only recently I realized that what I thought was pied is in fact split to pied. Though, birds can also not show any sings of being split to pied, you usually find that out through breeding.

If your male was not plucked in the past then those feathers at the back of his neck are a good idicator he is in fact pied or split to pied.

As for your chicks, it's best to wait after their first molt to be sure what they are and what they are split to Also one funny thing about the pied mutation is that it can change a little bit with each molt!

The most common places for the pied feathers to show are the wings, under the beck, head and so one. The back is usually the last colour to go, thus the sub-mutation of pied: saddleback.

I usually refer to split to pied, little pied, medium pied, heavy and then pied white.

Hope this information helped a bit
And here are some pictures of my pieds

These are usually called pied white (as in all white but not from the white mutation) But this one still had little dots on it's back.


Medium pied


Heavy pied


Little pied (I called him Potter for obvious reasons ;) )


And my special case, which is strange because the half of the face kept its colour.


And a colourful mixed pied clutch