Orange Brested, CFW, or what????

[ElizabethAZ]

wish i could get better pics but what the heck is he???

[cindy]

That looks like a Florida Fancy male split to something???? Do you know what his parents are? He has a breast bar, what does his back look like?

this is a picture of my Florida Fancy boy.

[ElizabethAZ]

He has alot of lacing of the feathers, not thick like a pheo, but well defined and dark-ish..kinda like someone drew them on. And he has no black tears, they are orange.
His scales on his neck ar almost non-exsistant, except for at the front of his throat, they are also the same rusty color and connect to his breast bar.. up close it looks as though someone 'smudged' his breast bar onto his neck. His tail bars are even, wide/thick, and are a light fawn color. Eyes are a smokey black.

Pictures aren't great sorry.

I can see some lacing on your bird, and from all the pics I have seen of the florida fancy mutation, my birds lacing is darker, and there is more of it..it's not restricted to the flight feathers on his wings. It is also on his back, going down his tail and up the back of the neck a little (of course it is very light, but still visible on a few feathers.).

[cindy]

I am no well versed yet in all the mutations....hopefully someone with a bit more experience will chime in. I have been going through some of the mutations on efinch.com to see if I see anything close to your little guy. He is interesting looking

Mine does not have black lacing..his body is a flat white

[ElizabethAZ]

maybe it's just the light in your picture, but it sure looks like he has the rust lacing on his wings.

My bird doesn't have a spot of black on him either...except his eyes...

[ElizabethAZ]

after comparing pics.. could he be an orange brested X CFW??

I don't know what his parents were, he's another "find" at the petstore, I had to buy him before anyone else did lol. The store gets their birds from a local man, but they won't tell me anything more so that I can find the birds heritage.. I do know that he drops some pretty neat birds though. I once saw a black face (I didn't know what he was, so I went home and google'd..when I went back to get him he was gone), often there are Florida Fancy and Florida silvers. And all birds are priced the same. $15 no matter what color/mutation. I wish I had the room, I feel like a kid in a candy store when I go get seed

[cindy]

Oh be careful....that kid in the candy store can get you in trouble!!!!

(It did me!!!)

I've included a picture of the parents to this little guy, the dad is a Florida silver with cream yellow lacing and the mom is a FF a little cream on her belly. The visual FF males they throw are very white males witn strong cheek and flank markings.

I want to raise both and have two pairs, one a FF/FS and the other a FF(FS) and FF. I noticed their young are more delicate/smaller than the other mutations I have.

To get FSilver you take a Fsilver male and breed it to a normal non pied zebra female. I think these mutations are both very pretty. (I have penguins to!!)

I swore just one pair but I added fawns, FF, FS, penguins, Black Cheek, Continentall CFW to the group!!!!

[Nagdabit]

If the little guy doesn't have any black markings (i.e. teardrops, tailbars) then he's FF, since by definition the FF mutation changes all of the black coloring to orange. While it is possible to have a FF / CFW mix, chances are more likely your boy has some Orange Breast in him. That would explain the white lacing throughout. Take a look at his tailbars markings. Usually OB has a funky pattern to the tailbars. Check out the pics in this description of the mutation.

http://www.efinch.com/species/obzeb.htm

Phaeo (FF + BB) is a possibility as well. Not all Phaeos have the full abundance of orange coloring. Since the mutation is actually a combination of two others (technically Phaeo isn't a seperate mutation) it is not uncommon to see birds in "transition stages" of coloring as breeders work to get the full effect. We have two Phaeo boys where the orange isn't as prevalent. Although they also have some OB in them so that could account for it.

Compare your male to the descriptions on efinch and you should be able to at least narrow it down a little. With Zeebs however, the chance that there are several different mutations at work is a distinct possibility so you many not know for sure what all is at work there untill you allow him to breed and analyze his offspring.