I think S76 didn't work...

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I think S76 didn't work...

Post by H2015 » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:44 am

I've mentioned before that I am treating my 4 Gouldians for air sac mites, I completed two out of three treatments in water and I assumed that meant the mites are gone by now.

After the second treatment, 2 of the four Gouldians showed different symptoms such as breathing problems, fluffed feathers, and one of them was going light by spending most of his time in the dish so I disinfected everything and treated all of them with Amoxitex. Four days later there was improvement and I felt relieved that things will finally settle down as the final S76 dose is only a few days away.

However, last night one of the birds was clicking on and off for a whole minute repeatedly which means the air sac mites are still present, I am not sure what else there is to do?

Is it usual for the clicking to continue after the 2nd week? Should I disinfect the whole cage again and spray it with S76 before the last dose (which should be after tomorrow)? Should I retreat one more time the week after (which will be a total of 4 weeks)?

I hope someone could help. I also ordered SCATT just in case and it should be here within a week or two.

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Post by Sally » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:50 am

You are not the first person who has has a problem with the S76. On another forum I belong to, others have had this same problem--the feeling is that the S76 may be too diluted to be effective. Scatt is probably your best bet right now, since you only have a few birds anyway. I'm surprised it is taking a week or two to get your order--most places I have dealt with get things out pretty fast. Perhaps if you contact them and see if they can put a rush on it, if they haven't already sent it. I don't know that the Amoxitex did anything, since you don't know if they have anything other than air sac mites. You have to be careful about overdosing meds, too. Your choice is to go ahead and dose the 3rd dose of S76, or wait for the Scatt, and since I have never had a problem with air sac mites, hopefully someone else will chime in with better advice for you.

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Post by H2015 » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:28 pm

Thanks for the reply Sally, unfortunately I'm not in the US so it takes awhile for things to get through the mail.

Also I used Amoxitex as a last resort cause they started looking very sick and one of them wouldn't leave the dish and ate constantly, gladly they got a bit better but not exactly thriving yet.

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Post by rottielover » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:44 pm

I have also read some stories on the internet about S76 that all have varried sucess with it.

I have never used S76 or SCATT so I cannot comment specifically about them.

My avian vet sells me an Ivermectin solution that I use to treat my birds. In addition to killing air sac mites, it's also a de-wormer. The solution I get from the vet is a single drop treatment, either a single drop onto the bare skin under a wing, or a single drop into the beak.

When I'm giving it to a bird I've found it's actually easier to give them a single drop in the beak, since they tend to squirm around :)

I'm not sure if you have access to an avian vet, but if you do, you may want to look into the Ivermectin treatment, as a prevenative, it's single treatment. To kill an active mite infestation, I think requires a couple of treatments.

BTW, Ivermectin is known by different names all thoughout the world, so you may need to research and find out what's it's called in your neck of the woods.

I hope that helps.

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Post by Hilary » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:08 pm

I posted on another thread here that I've used S76 and it did not work - I lost several birds that had been treated preventatively. I'm sticking with Scatt or Ivermectine from now on! I hope your birds do better!
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Post by TammyS » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:49 pm

ABBA also offers a premeasured Ivermectin solution to be added to water and it only requires two treatments - the initial one day treatment and then a second treatment 3 weeks later.

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Post by Hilary » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:04 pm

I just switched to the ABBA product for preventative treatments. I still use Scatt on new birds, but I really liked the Ivermectine. The company actually recommends retreating in 14 days. I added the ivermectine to a gallon of water, then stored the extra in the refrigerator until it was time to re-treat - ABBA said that was fine. Very handy to use, and I've heard really good things about the product.
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Post by TammyS » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:24 pm

OOPS - I bad :oops: !

You are right Hilary - the second treatment is in 14 days. Thanks for catching my error.

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Post by Hilary » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:27 pm

Tammy, you know about WAY too many products to have them memorized! :lol: I happen to have just treated my birds!
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Post by fairestfinches » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:05 pm

We have used Scatt in the past, but have switched over to Iverlux by Morning Bird which contains the actice ingrediant Ivermectin. You have a couple of options when treating your birds with Iverlux and that is a big help if need to treat a single bird or a whole flock. It can be applied 1 drop on the neck for 5 days for a single bird or added to water at 1/2 Tps. per quart of water for two days and repeated for three weeks for a whole flock.

We always follow up with Amoxitex by Morning Bird to prevent infection in the lungs caused by the dead airsac mites. It is an often over looked step in the process of getting the bird healthy again.

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Post by trevorama » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:20 pm

The active ingredient in S76 is ivermectin, however the dilution may be different than the other products.

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Post by fairestfinches » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:11 am

Yes, Ivermectin is the active ingrediant in S76. But, what the Ivermectin is suspended is is different, and the amount of the active ingrediant Ivermectin varies. That is why S76, SCATT, and Iverlux all have different applications.

It could be that the suspension fluid is causing less effective results.

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Post by EmilyHurd » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:12 am

I've always used SCATT with success... my birds always get better with it!

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Post by H2015 » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:39 am

When is it safe to apply SCATT? Considering that tomorrow they'll be getting their last S76 dose and I still won't receive SCATT for another week or so.

I also have Ivermectin on hand but it's made for cattle (1 ml solution contains 10 mg Ivermectin) so I'm not sure how much to dose and I've read that a mistake in dosing can be fatal so I rather not risk. :?

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Post by TammyS » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:51 am

If you have just gone through the entire treatment of the S76, I would wait to see if the bird improves or not before administering the Scatt.

Just in case you wanted to know - the recommended dosage for the 1% Ivermectin solution is 1 cc to 32 ounces of water.

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