Unusual tear marks?

[tobyneilson]

This little guy fledged today,and I personaly have never seen tear marks like this,they seem to join up and form a triangle, just hope he does not loose them

[cindy]

that is unusual....someone here made reference to a triangle tear not to long ago but yours is a bit different. What does the pattern on the tail and back look like?

[Ameza]

I can't see it very clearly because of the off focus, but I have had birds with triangle tear marks that are split for black cheek. They sometimes change when they molt.

[tobyneilson]

Will try and get a better pic later and look at the tail
I dont think it is split for BC, the mum is pied/split for white(she is pure white with a grey patch on head) and the dad is Fawn CFW(not sure if he is split for anything)
This is the first time I have bred these two together and they have given me some gorgeous chicks,one is pure white,another is CFW with some light specks on the wings,along with this guy and one that looks like will be a normal zeb
Hope this guy does not loose the tear marks as they are cute

[tobyneilson]

Here is a better pic plus some of his siblings



Pure White



CFW? was best pic I could get to show the detail on wings



Normal male



And Mum and Dad for comparison

[cindy]

The triangle is very interesting...it looks like a shark tooth!!! Call him Mac!!!

Your male with the extended cheeks (last picture) is that what we call a phaeo? so pretty!

[tobyneilson]

Do you mean the dad?I always thought of him as a CFW, I thought phaeo had a completly orange head? The dad has got larger than normal patches

[Ameza]

Oh my that is a really beautiful clutch!
Funny how the tear mark bleeds into the white, though I think it is because he is split for BC.

The "CFW" bird look like a FF/Isabel, or maybe some mix of OB?

Well I'm sure Vargur will show up here and shed some light on your birds ;)

[cindy]

he kind of reminds me of this (scroll down the page)

http://www.efinch.com/species/ffzeb.htm

[tobyneilson]

thanks Cindy yes that is like worzel (that's what I call the dad)
well now I know what he is

If the tear mark on chick is caused by BC then it must be from the grandparents

[tobyneilson]

thanks Cindy yes that is like worzel (that's what I call the dad)
well now I know what he is

If the tear mark on chick is caused by BC then it must be from the grandparents

[cindy]

you will need to kep posting as this little one grows so we can see how lovely he turns out to be.

[tobyneilson]

yes will keep you updated, I really hope he does not loose it in his moult

[Vargur]

Wow, they are so beautiful!!

this one http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt11 ... dom038.jpg

looks alot like my little birdy who is fawn isabel BB when he was a baby.
(phaeo)


Vargs - fledgling1 by Elma_Ben, on Flickr


Vargs - fledgling1 by Elma_Ben, on Flickr


Here you said: "normal male"
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt11 ... dom045.jpg
what do you mean by that? (just curious)
Looks like he might be another Isabel?
But his cheeks look so orange!
maybe he is split BB, I am not sure..
I would like to see another photo

The normal grey one, looks like a normal grey.
when he molts I think the tearmark is gonna be normal looking.

[Nagdabit]

All those young 'uns came from the same clutch? Wow, you certainly have quite the variety going on there. Beautiful birds. From what I can see Mom looks like a CFW, but Dad has something more going on. Just as Cindy noted, he has the qualities of a Phaeo, but I'm not aware of the FF mutation making it's way across the pond. My guess would be Isabel with BF or BB. Since the flecking pattern on your male seems uneven, I'd have to guess that Pied is involved somehow as well. And yes it looks like there is some BC popping up in the kids. Keep your eye on the white chick, could end up being an Isabel hen. Also agree with Vargur that your "normal" seems on the light side and probably has some isabel in him as well.