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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by Ursula » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:39 pm

wellingtoncdm wrote:I know I have said before that there are owl/zebra "rare" designer birds occasionally for sale in FL for lots of money! I would never buy one and have told sellers that. That's all I can do.
That again reminds me of the "designer" dog breeds... People are creating mutts and call them "designer breeds" and charge a lot of money.... :roll: :lol: :mrgreen:
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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by JohnBoy » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:50 pm

How does anyone here know it was bred deliberately? It appears to me the birds are housed in a mixed flight. As you all know I had it happen in my mixed aviary with a spice and a bl and wh mannikin. It surely wasn't deliberate. I posted the picture here on the forum only because the bird was strikingly beautiful, not to show off or brag.
I get so tired of people here cutting others to pieces when they don't even know the facts.
BTW I don't believe in deliberately breeding for hybrids.
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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by dfcauley » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:57 pm

JohnBoy wrote:How does anyone here know it was bred deliberately? It appears to me the birds are housed in a mixed flight. As you all know I had it happen in my mixed aviary with a spice and a bl and wh mannikin. It surely wasn't deliberate. I posted the picture here on the forum only because the bird was strikingly beautiful, not to show off or brag.
I get so tired of people here cutting others to pieces when they don't even know the facts.
BTW I don't believe in deliberately breeding for hybrids.

I was thinking the same thing. It happens sometimes accidentally.
I have also had it happen with a cherry and society finch. I found the babies (which were adorable) a good home and seperated the two finches so it would not happen again.......We all need to know the facts before we begin throwing stones...... [-X
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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by managermania » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:17 pm

Albinosilver wrote:
But what's the 1st bird on the left? (In the vid)
The one on the left is a juvenile Cuban Melodious. Not a hybrid.
Pretty sure but I was wrong once before. :lol:
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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by Albinosilver » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:21 pm

I was thinking the same thing. It happens sometimes accidentally.
I have also had it happen with a cherry and society finch. I found the babies (which were adorable) a good home and seperated the two finches so it would not happen again.......We all need to know the facts before we begin throwing stones......
Cherry finch x Society? Whoa. What does that look like? You have pictures?

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Post by wellingtoncdm » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:58 pm

JohnBoy wrote:How does anyone here know it was bred deliberately? It appears to me the birds are housed in a mixed flight.
You are probably right. I was getting off topic and referring to intentionally producing designer "Zowls" as they are called.
Sorry!

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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by Sally » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:05 pm

Sally wrote:You are always going to have the people who will produce hybrids because they can, for their own personal gratification. And in this day of 'Show and Tell' via youtube, there is even more incentive for these people to not only produce these hybrids, but brag about it.
I wasn't referring to accidental crossbreeding, I was speaking about those who produce hybrids on purpose because they want to. I certainly have hybrids myself. What really upsets me is when these hybrids are passed off on unsuspecting people. At my first bird mart, I was sold three Green Singers, two hens and a male. The male turned out to be a cross between a Green Singer and a canary and was so aggressive he killed everything he could get to. The hens I later realized were not Green Singers, but they were killed off before I realized that. This is the kind of experience that can sour buyers on ever having finches.
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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by JohnBoy » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:40 pm

Sally wrote:
Sally wrote:You are always going to have the people who will produce hybrids because they can, for their own personal gratification. And in this day of 'Show and Tell' via youtube, there is even more incentive for these people to not only produce these hybrids, but brag about it.
I wasn't referring to accidental crossbreeding, I was speaking about those who produce hybrids on purpose because they want to. I certainly have hybrids myself. What really upsets me is when these hybrids are passed off on unsuspecting people. At my first bird mart, I was sold three Green Singers, two hens and a male. The male turned out to be a cross between a Green Singer and a canary and was so aggressive he killed everything he could get to. The hens I later realized were not Green Singers, but they were killed off before I realized that. This is the kind of experience that can sour buyers on ever having finches.
I totally agree.
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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by cindy » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:44 pm

I was at a show and one of the vendors tried to sell me a very rare and exotic bird...he wanted to show them to me. As we walked to the cage and I spotted this hybrid...he would not have wanted to read my mind at that moment.

For $125 he wanted to sell me a cross between an owl and a zebra...then he shows me a cross between a star and an owl. My friend called him out on this at another show and told him he should be ashamed trying to sell hybrids that are worth less the pure species.

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Post by Sally » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:00 pm

For a cross between an Owl and a Zebra, this guy was asking $125?! :shock: You can get a Strawberry for that price. He is trying to convince people that he has done something special, but it doesn't take much to get hybrids. It just amazes me that someone would have the gall to pretend that this is something worth that kind of money--it is just a mutt of the finch world!!

When I was little, my parents bred AKC Cocker Spaniels for their Christmas money. My dad was appalled when he started seeing these designer dogs for ridiculous prices. He said it doesn't take brains or sense to produce a mutt, so why in the world do people pay high prices for them?

And please don't think I am knocking mutts--my Nikki and Gretel were mutts, and the present-day Scooter is a mutt--but they were all fixed asap. The shelters are full of mutts, you don't have to go out and spend a fortune for one. :lol:
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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by BigBear0007 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:40 pm

http://birdtee.com/Hybridization.htm

Here is a good articlr on hybrids.

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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by Sally » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:00 pm

That is a really good article, Jerry (of course, I say that because it reflects my sentiments exactly :wink: ). But the one point the author made especially was that we no longer have the luxury of inexpensive replacements, or easily starting over, with many of these species. With many species dwindling in numbers in captivity, it is more important than ever to keep each species as pure as we can.

Heck, I'll bet I could easily cross a Strawberry and a Goldbreasted Waxbill--they are in the same genus. Put a male of one species in with a hen of the other, and voila, exotic babies for the market! I could call them Goldberries!! :lol:
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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by Ursula » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:16 pm

By the way, I'm not at all against mutts either, if somebody might have thought that from my post above.

I'm also mad if people try to make a buck by trying to sell something as "exotic" just because some people dont know better and will pay the price. It's a shame that these breeders are allowed to attend bird fairs and that prices aren't get checked. If you're a newby with birds you wouldn't know better and fall for it.
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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by Albinosilver » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:16 pm

I'm fine with hybridization as long as it's accidental or has some reasonable point behind it. And even if it was on purpose with no reason, at least be truthful about it d:

A lot of people breed hybrid finches just to see the result. Are the offspring cute? Pretty? Though I must admit, it's kinda cool looking at the hybrid birds and guessing what its parents were. lol. But it is totally wrong to try passing them of as "exotic"

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I have a society male and a zebra female, who were raised by the same parents. They've been together nearly 2 years and have never had any hybrid chicks. And even though there could still a risk, I just couldn't seperate them d: I hope I'm not doing a bad thing by keeping them together...

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Re: Finch hybrids.

Post by nixity » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:29 pm

Baltimore Bird Fanciers has a strict policy against selling any hybrid species at their events. If you get caught they will kick you out. Same goes for unweaned babies.

Lol at Goldberries :)

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