what will they be

alexbrgr · Post by **alexbrgr** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:16 pm

what will these chicks be?

Here are the parents I am not sure what the female is.

LuxandLolita · Post by **LuxandLolita** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:45 pm

I'm guessing the male is OBBB and the hen is maybe a fawn Isabel?

The babies will be split to orange breasted, black breasted, and the males will be split to fawn and isabel. But then there is the chance for hidden splits, they will likely be normal grey with a ton of splits, if the male is split to fawn, you can get fawn babies

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:18 pm

Alex, you are not far from me!
Your female is a Isabel (fawn Isabels are darker) and the male looks to be a OB/BB
http://www.efinch.com/species/ffzeb.htm (Section on combinations, there is a phaeo picture)
Your male looks split to BB based on the enlarged flank spots and thin tear...is there an hour glass shape in the whites of his tail feathers. His cheek patches are enlarged and do you see the line of orange over his eye?

http://zebracrazy.byethost13.com/SplitBB.htm

based on what you have
based on a calculator by Carlos Matos
"50.0% >> Gray / Isabel , Black Breast , Orange Breast
50.0% >> Gray / Isabel , Orange Breast"
(If you take an Isabel and pair it with a normal gray or visa versa you get FS, FF, Isabels, if he is split to Fawn you will get fawn Isabel hens, add OB and BB to the mix and you can get birds that look split to OB, Split to BB, Phaeo)

I believe your birds will come out to look somewhat phaeo...the orange may not be all the way through the head but if you take their young that show that and mate it to a BB or split to BB it may push the orange more over the head more.

I have FF, FS, BB, FS OB, Isabels/OB/BB, Isabel OB/BB and fawn Isabels.

alexbrgr · Post by **alexbrgr** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:53 pm

Cindy he does not have an hour glass in his tail. He has white orange and black stripes on his tail. You can't see in the photo to well but he has orange all the across his head right behind his beak. let me know when u have some of those finches for sale.

LuxandLolita · Post by **LuxandLolita** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:23 pm

I have a young female finch named Tahny, she has the common stripes, but every so often she molts or drops an hourglass feather.
The extra line of orange next to his eye shows a split as well as the flanks. Meaning he most likely has the split but it is hiding in his tail feathers.
for example i have used this picture a bit. turns out, the bottom feather on the right is also Tahnys, the middle feather is from her mother. the top feather is from her father, and the 1st feather is also from Tahny

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:37 pm

alexbrgr wrote:Cindy he does not have an hour glass in his tail. He has white orange and black stripes on his tail. You can't see in the photo to well but he has orange all the across his head right behind his beak. let me know when u have some of those finches for sale.

The hourglass does not often show on some but they can show other signs as well. I just set up two pairs of zebras

A BC/BB hen and a fawn/OB/BB

and a FS BB/OB with a BB female

I have Isabels that show faint signs of splits to OB....parents are FF and a fawn/OB/BB....they produce Isabel OB/BB (orange in the cheek of the female) and FS OB and FS BB

I have fawn hen and a fawn male split to OB/BB on eggs.

I have some splits to BB but they are young not colored out yet...and I believe that some of my BC CFWs are split to BB as well since the breast bar comes up high to the throat and is wider than the offspring from my other pair, plus they show signs around the lower beak for it.

Alex, the fawns are really pretty that carry the two traits.

DanteD716 · Post by **DanteD716** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:11 pm

I agree with Cindy, you should get some pretty chicks, maybe some surprise FF or isabel... Dad & Mom are very pretty

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:13 pm

possibly phaeos!!

DanteD716 · Post by **DanteD716** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:14 pm

Oh with the colors on dad they will make stunning males!

alexbrgr · Post by **alexbrgr** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:36 am

Here is what they look like today. What do you think they will be?

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:53 am

alexbrgr wrote:Cindy he does not have an hour glass in his tail. He has white orange and black stripes on his tail. You can't see in the photo to well but he has orange all the across his head right behind his beak. let me know when u have some of those finches for sale.

Alex the orange traces in the tail could be the bird is split to OB.

http://zebracrazy.byethost13.com/SplitOB.htm

the one little one with the horn colored beak may be a fawn Isabel plit OB...look for orange lacing in the wings and orange in the tail as it matures. With Isabels and FF especially the FS I found it can take two molts and a few months for the colors to show. completely. The grays may look like dad....hard to say at this point.

alexbrgr · Post by **alexbrgr** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:11 am

Thanks for the help. I will post more pictures when they get older.

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