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lstyles · Post by **lstyles** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:52 pm

I paired up a female LB BC (?/eumo ?/BB) zebra with a male that is CCFW /eumo (pretty sure he is CCFW as he is cream colored and has black tail ?anything else as he was a gift). With the male being CCFW and female being LB, I know that all female chicks will be CCFW and 1/2 of males will be LB and the other half CCFW/LB (visually LB as it is dominant to CCFW). So I got 4 chicks, two LB and two CCFW. So far so good. One of the CCFW chicks has BC so dad is /BC. The other CCFW chick is where my question is. She is all white, no tear (the photo is deceiving and kinda looks like she does but she doesnt), with white tail.
Here she is:

Here are the parents:
mom

dad

Because she has no tear and has white tail I am wondering if she might be BB as well. Mom has BB in her lineage but I have no idea about dad. I can't think of anything else that would get rid of tear and have white tail like a BB. Also, none of the other chicks nor parents have tails that look like ?BB. Can't be eumo as she doesn't have the feather abnormality. Any other ideas?

thanks,
Lori

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:50 pm

The dad looks like a light fawn. I keep looking at the young one and look at the breast area...is it smudged black. His little beak is horn colored.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:02 pm

Continental CFW's have the black on the tail, CFW is more of a light gray color. The little one is definately daddy's little girl!!!

efinch has a pretty good write up on the combinations.

http://www.efinch.com/species/cfwzeb.htm

Lori, can you keep this thread going so we can see how she turns out.

lstyles · Post by **lstyles** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:22 pm

Thanks for commenting Cindy!
The fawn idea is interesting. If the dad is fawn then he is the lightest fawn I have ever seen. I originally thought the dad was CFW but then looking on efinch (which I use all the time!) convinced me he was a CCFW because his tail is definitely black and he is a creamier color. His underbelly is very white not buff. I just tried to write down what would come of a fawn male x LB female cross. All females would be fawn and all males would be grey I think (/fawn, /LB). That would mean that the two "CCFW" birds I thought I have would be fawn females. If so then again they are the lightest fawn I have ever had as they are almost all white. BUT, as you point out, their beaks ARE horn colored. I read on efinch that the CFW beaks are black but he doesnt say what the CCFW beaks are. Also the "LB" male chicks I think I have would be greys and again they would be the lightest greys that I have ever seen....definitely look just like mom (LB). It is all very puzzling as the common theme with the fawn idea is the very light nature of all the birds...maybe there is something else in there like single FF! (maybe mom is not LB but single factor FF. Shouldn't have a tear if she was but cant really see if she has a tear because she is BC. Weird.)
I will definitely keep this post going with photos as they age.
Lori

lstyles · Post by **lstyles** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:26 pm

Just had another thought...if mom was single FF and dad was single FF fawn that might explain dad's coloring is so light for a fawn! That might also explain why the chick is so white (she could be double FF fawn chick with horn colored beak!).
I checked my record and there is FF in the mom's background. Again don't know anything about dad other than what I see (and /BC cuz one chick is BC).
Lori

Vargur · Post by **Vargur** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:43 pm

I think the male look like CCFW.
The chick look like LB fawn, could be BB.

one of my LB fawn chicks

Vargs - Undan Sibru Hrimu og Vargs Djásna by Elma_Ben, on Flickr

very pretty birds you got!

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:47 pm

the LB in the baby could also explain the horn colored beak.

lstyles · Post by **lstyles** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:51 pm

Well that looks a like her except your bird has darker wings than my chick. If the chick is LB fawn I will be able to tell because it will be a male and will develop orange cheek patches.
Will keep you posted!
Lori

Post by **finchmix22** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:10 pm

Can you post pics off all four babies? I like learning about the zebra genetics and would like to see the different chicks colorings. The ones you posted are beautiful.

lstyles · Post by **lstyles** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:27 pm

Actually what I just wrote may be wrong as the fawn mutation is on the sex chromosome but not in the same location as LB/CFW. The male chicks will be grey and females fawn as mom isn't fawn.

lstyles · Post by **lstyles** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:06 pm

Here are the four chicks:
chick in question flanked by two "LB" sibs

Other white chick who is BC (BC is kind of washed out in this photo):

As an added treat here is my BF OB BB chick (unrelated to above chicks) that I think will be quite nice when he finishes getting his feathers:

Lori

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:47 pm

The white with the black cheeks looks to be a BC CCFW ~ Black Cheek Continental CFW

The babies are adorable. Can't wait to see them all colored out!

Vargur · Post by **Vargur** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:08 pm

Beautiful chicks and the BF OB BB is stunning!

the lighter chick could also be CCFW fawn.

here are two of my CCFW fawn chicks - both females

vargs ungar by Elma_Ben, on Flickr

here is BB fawn chick - female

Vargs by Elma_Ben, on Flickr

lstyles · Post by **lstyles** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:44 pm

Thanks Vargur for your comments....I have always loved your birds. I am thinking that maybe the chick is fawn CCFW BB because of the absence of tear and the tail is white with no bars like a BB. Also just looks like a BB around the beak. As for the BB OB BF, he is also fawn.
Will post again in a couple of weeks if things change.
Lori

lstyles · Post by **lstyles** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:13 am

Here are some updated photos. Top two photos are of the hen I think is CCFW BB. Tail all white and no barring whatsoever. Cant think of any other reason to explain why she doesnt have any barring like her sister below except the BB. She does now have a hint of light grey tear now.

These next two are of her sister CCFW BC I think:

Lori

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