Carrier of disease? Best quarantine practices

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Carrier of disease? Best quarantine practices

Post by Lisa » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:52 am

I recently acquired several new birds. They were all in quarantine for 3 weeks. None of the birds exhibited any signs of illness - all were bright eyed, perky, active, no puffiness or visual signs of any illness. I treated them all with AIL when I first brought them into the house, just to be safe.

Now here's the scary part - when I added the male gouldians into the mix with my others - about 80% of them immediately got sick within the next day or two. The only ones who didn't exhibit any symptoms were the new birds. After moving all the birds to hospital cages with heat lamps and adding Thrive to their food, thankfully all have recovered. But that was pretty terrifying as I potentially almost lost all my males!

Second case is my new female lavender hen. Same thing, after 3 weeks moved her into breeding cage with my existing male. The two immediately bonded and got on fabulously. Over the next day or so, I observed slight puffiness in the male. Treated with heat lamp and after a day or two, it seemed to be gone. He was eating and drinking normally the whole time, seemed to be fine. A few days ago, I noticed him in the food dish eating rather than standing on the edge (it's a rather large dish) and didn't think much of it really. I had to work until 10pm that night unexpectedly and had come home and did a rush job of feeding the birds (still kicking myself for this thinking maybe if I hadn't been in such a rush to get back to work I might have noticed something more). Two days later, I'm feeding again and when I put my hand in to put the dish in, the male flies right into the dish while I'm holding it (a little strange) but then goes right to work eating while I'm holding it. This is not usual behavior for him at all - I reached in and was able to easily pick him up. This made me cringe as this is never a good sign. Moved him to a hospital cage with heat and noticed he seemed to be having trouble balancing. Kept falling to the side after a minute. He immediately went to sleep after eating some seed. The next morning I woke up and he was dead :(

I can't help but thinking these birds were somehow a carrier of disease even though they did not display any signs of illness themselves. What can be done to prevent this? If a bird appears healthy after a few weeks, how can you know when and if it's safe to move them into your flock? I've never had this situation before. Do you normally treat with other meds even when the bird appears healthy? I've always heard it is best not to try to medicate a bird unless you are certain of what you are treating as it can be dangerous for the bird.

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Re: Carrier of disease? Best quarantine practices

Post by bugaboo5 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:23 am

Goodness, so sorry for your troubles and for your loss.

The issue of quarantine and the different methods (medicating vs. not medicating -- and what to medicate with, how much to medicate, etc) has been a issue of great debate over the years.

Personally, I think it would be wonderful if Sally or one of the moderators can consider making a sticky in regards to this issue, as I believe it is important to know your options (and suggestions) when it comes to quarantining any new feathered friends.

Meanwhile, here are a few wonderful posts on quarantine and the different methods provided over the years. You should take what information you feel comfortable with and do what you want with the information accordingly. Live and let live, kind of thing. Best of luck to you and your new birds.

http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=146

http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=19241

http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17805

http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17705

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Re: Carrier of disease? Best quarantine practices

Post by cindy » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:47 am

viruses and parasites can run through a flock quickly. I always deworm once and a week afterwards, a round of ronex 12%, and if unsure of the birds background or where exactly it originated from I use coccicare....will look into baycox in the future. The birds remain in quarantine for 2 to 4 weeks depending on their background and where they were from.

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Re: Carrier of disease? Best quarantine practices

Post by ac12 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:51 pm

I'm in the camp that does a medicated quarantine.
My quarantine period is 8 weeks, which is driven by the schedule of medication.

In my case I made the decision that I cannot afford to have a bug get into my flock, hence the long medicated quarantine period.
As was said, that is MY decision to do it that way.
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Re: Carrier of disease? Best quarantine practices

Post by lyzzyjayne » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:09 pm

I am so sorry about your losing your Lavender Guy. :(
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Re: Carrier of disease? Best quarantine practices

Post by debbie276 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:07 pm

-i think that over medicating only weakens an immune system so less is more for me. New birds get a treatment of scatt and get wormed, other then that they are watched carefully for any other signs of illness. While they are adjusting and being quarantined I do check their poop under the microscope for anything that could be a problem.
I ask all sellers and will not buy from someone that has their birds on a regular medical routine. I choose not to do this and think the bird would suffer if I didn't continue with that routine.
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Re: Carrier of disease? Best quarantine practices

Post by ac12 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:45 pm

Debbie,
I 'm beginning to wonder if getting and learning to use a microscope is something that I should do. I have not used a microscope in 30 years. Something to go look for on eBay.
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