Help me id my canaries

[marfogel]

hello guys,
as i said in my previous post i need your help identifying my canaries.
i hope the photos are informative enough.

and another thing, the male looks to me eye a bit fat from the back, what do you think?
how can i know if he is too fat?

thanks in advance...

(i hope that the photos are uploading right)

[Chris103]

The female almost looks like a blue mutation, but seems to have a green wash to her. The male Is a normal green, or wild type as some people call them. As far as what variety they are, hard to tell, unless i could hear their song or if they were a posture or frilled variety...like a Dutch Frill for example. To tell of they are over weight, blow on their chest, rump, and under the wings to expose the skin. If you see yellow areas, those are fat deposits. A LITTLE yellow Is usually okay but give them plenty of room to fly, little to no eggfood (unless breeding), and a lower fat seed or pellet. Canary seed Is high in fat, also stay away from mixes with thistle or nyjer as its super high in fat content. Canaries are prone to obesity, and it can cause all sorts of problems, from infertility to liver disease, eventually causing death. Don't want to scare you, I've gotten Canaries before that were WAY over weight, after a proper diet and lots of flying around, they slimmed right down and went on to be great breeders. Hope that hepls a little. Best of luck with them, they are beautiful!

[finchmix22]

They look like Spanish Timbrado's to me or a gloster, but I am not a canary expert. How old are they?

[Chris103]

I'll second the Timbrado theory. The deeply forked tails are a classic Timbrado trait. Green and Blue are also common Timbrado colors.

[30 Seconds to Bob]

They really could be "anything". If they weren't purchased as a specific type or variety (from a breeder that can prove it with detailed records), soooooo many canaries these days are are crosses of different varieties. Just like looking at a mixed breed dog, sometimes it is quite obvious what the ancestry may be - sometimes they look nothing like anything in it's genetic makeup. Beautiful canaries, regardless. Bob