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Flock Update!

Post by MiaCarter » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:02 am

So, lots to report!
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Priscilla is sick....yet again.
This is the fourth time in the past few months. I'm at a loss. I was brainstorming with Laraine and she suggested that perhaps it was just stress. It did all start around the time of Squeepers' fledging. She has always been very lovely and nurturing with Squeepers and now, with Pippin and Piper, so it hadn't occurred to me. But it could very well be the case.

There are far too many birds in that cage -- a total of 7 zebras in two interconnected 37x18x18 cages (so I believe that's 37x36x18?) Two pairs and 3 kids. They get 8+ hours of free fly per day, but she's been staying home under the heat lamp. And Molly Sue and Ivy have stayed close to home when Pippin and Piper were younger, so it only just recently started clearing out during the day.

So I decided it's time to remove the kids to their own cage!
I already had a new cage on order and it arrived yesterday. Just a simple 30x18x18.

As you may recall, Squeepers has *really* resisted all attempts to move away from home. On the most recent attempt, I tried to move him in with a lovely little hen, Juliette, and he started crying and sulking and pacing and refusing to eat. I moved him into a different room, but the parents, Molly Sue and Ivy, could still hear him and they got very distressed and "pace-ey" and started neglecting the babies (Pippin and Piper were still hatchlings). So I gave in and returned Sir Squeepers after it became clear that the timing was all wrong.

So this time, I'm going to move him with his siblings.
I'm going to relocate Piper, Pippin and Squeepers to the new cage.
All three siblings are quite bonded, so they will do nicely together.
Once settled, I hope to interconnect with another 30x18x18 and introduce Juliette for Squeepers, then separate them out.
Of course, they may have different plans! LOL

I'll be banding them when I catch them to put them in their new cage, so that will be good fun.
Plastic split bands, of course. I've never done it myself, so it will be a delight for everyone involved, I'm sure. :lol:

And the BIG news....
We've got a boy!
Piper, whom I'd arbitrarily deemed female when he was younger, is most definitely a BOY!
Over the past couple days, he's sprouted a single orange cheek feather, several brown spotted flank feathers and a dozen or so striped chest feathers!

What's curious is the total lack of adult plumage on Piper's sibling, Pippin.
Pippin's beak is almost totally orange and he's always been several days ahead of Piper in development. Yet there's not a single feather to indicate male-ness. If Piper has a bunch of male feathers, you'd expect Pippin would have sprouted at least a couple.
But there's nothing.
Now, Pippin is a CFW, as is Squeepers and Squeepers took a bit longer to color out (in fact, at 4 months, 1 week, and 1 day old, he's still not finished. He's got a few obnoxious grey straggler feathers on his head. But they're falling out, slowly but surely.)
So I'm thinking perhaps it's a CFW thing? Perhaps they're just slower to color up?
Has anyone else found this to be true???

Of course, there's the possibility that Pippin is FEMALE.
I would be completely and utterly shocked.
That would make Pippin the single most pushy, bossy female I've ever met!
Pippin acts VERY male. He's a juvenile and he's already a very pushy zebra. (I have no idea where he gets this! Nobody else in his cage is pushy, despite the crowded conditions. Ivy and Molly Sue are the sweetest birds ever!) But Pippin claimed one of the in-cage shelves, deeming it his property and beak fences with anyone who dares enter his territory uninvited. (Even his dad, Molly Sue!)
Needless to say, Pippin isn't going to live in a community cage. He'll likely be destined for a pairs cage (30x18x18) with whomever s/he chooses as a mate.

And lastly, we have a name for the African Silverbeak!
We've named him/her Silva. (That was my husband's doing. "Silver" with a Boston accent.) But It's actually fitting. S/he liked it so Silva it is!
I'm really unsure on gender. Quite vocal, but doesn't do the characteristic male song. I'll definitely be doing a DNA test when Silva when s/he is feeling better!

That's all for now!
Humum to....
13 Zebra Finches....and 2 squeeps!
3 Society Finches
6 Gouldians
1 Weaver
1 Pintail Whydah
2 Cockatiels
2 Parakeets

....along with 1 MinPin, 1 Pug, 1 JRT, 1 Yorkie, 2 Chihuahuas and 15 cats.


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Re: Flock Update!

Post by delray » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:15 am

Thanks for the updates! Too bad Priscilla isn't doing good again, she could be stress as you said. Keep on doing more updates on them. :D I think silva is a great name. Hope Priscilla feels better! MiaCarter
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Re: Flock Update!

Post by MiaCarter » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:36 am

delray -- Thanks!
Indeed, so frustrating that Priscilla is unwell again! Aside from remaining under the heat lamp 24/7, she's pretty normal. So I think the stress theory is a good one.

If anyone has any other ideas, please share!
A full run-down of symptoms is here: http://wp.me/p4JWrl-da

Oh, and I should have included this on my initial post!
I was trying to capture some photos of Squeepers, but Molly Sue kept photo bombing us! He was landing about an inch from the iPhone, peering at it with crazy intensity, as he likes the clicking sound that it makes when I take a photo.

The autofocus kept focusing on Molly Sue instead of Squeepers (in the background. LOL) The result was a beautiful photo that was totally accidental. There's a sweetness to this photo that's just so....so Molly Sue.
Man, I adore this bird. It breaks my heart realizing that at 12 years old, his time with us is likely drawing to a close. It shall be a sad day indeed. This little guy has the sweetest spirit and a huge personality, all packed into a tiny, feathery package.

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Humum to....
13 Zebra Finches....and 2 squeeps!
3 Society Finches
6 Gouldians
1 Weaver
1 Pintail Whydah
2 Cockatiels
2 Parakeets

....along with 1 MinPin, 1 Pug, 1 JRT, 1 Yorkie, 2 Chihuahuas and 15 cats.


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Re: Flock Update!

Post by delray » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:53 am

miacarter I always take awesome pictures on accident!! It's so funny how it works out. Or sometimes I try to take picture and it turns out so much better! Like this picture! I caught it in flight! And with a shadow. So cool. :D
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Re: Flock Update!

Post by MiaCarter » Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:26 am

delray -- That's a cool photo!
You may be too young to remember this, but a few years ago, there was a viral photo of a little squirrel. A couple had set their camera on a rock to get a photo using the timer feature and the little squirrel was curious about the sound of the auto-focus. They got an incredible photo of the little guy! It went super viral, with people photoshopping the squirrel into tons of different images!

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Humum to....
13 Zebra Finches....and 2 squeeps!
3 Society Finches
6 Gouldians
1 Weaver
1 Pintail Whydah
2 Cockatiels
2 Parakeets

....along with 1 MinPin, 1 Pug, 1 JRT, 1 Yorkie, 2 Chihuahuas and 15 cats.


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Re: Flock Update!

Post by delray » Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:29 am

MiaCarter i don't remember that, but that is really cool! Lots of people are doing all crazy things with cameras now, it's great. Here's another picture I took! It's one of my favorites as well.
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Re: Flock Update!

Post by Sheather » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:08 am

MiaCarter

My silverbill male is extremely vocal and has been singing since day one - if Silva were a male, I think she would have sung by now. My boy, of course, only likes to court the society girls and completely ignores his two hens.
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Re: Flock Update!

Post by MiaCarter » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:47 pm

Sheather -- I think you're right.
What's funny is s/he's super vocal and does all sorts of little chirps, but never any songs, so I'm thinking Silva probably is a female, as I'd expect some sort of song, especially with the change in pairings.

We had everyone out in free fly the other day, with the exception of Silva, who's still in quarantine.
I had a migraine and asked my husband to put everyone back in their cages.

Well somehow, he took Juliette -- a grey female zebra -- and thought it was Silva and put her in Silva's cage. He missed the fact that Silva was in the cage - she often sits on top of the nest, and with the foliage, she's hard to see.
(Of course, Juliette has a super orange beak! And Silva is a SILVERbill. But I digress. LOL I guess all small grey-ish birds look alike to some folks.)

I didn't realize the mix up until the following morning. By that time, they were good friends, preening each other and cuddling.
So I just left them together, as if Silva has any illness, s/he would have most certainly transmitted it to Juliette already.

Silva is done with her meds and seems totally healthy, so I think we're good. But she still has a couple weeks left on quarantine.

Now that she's with another bird, she's constantly chattering but there's no singing. So I think it is probably a female after all.

Juliette was a third wheel with another pairing, so it's a mistake that worked out nicely, I think. I was planning to put her with Squeepers, but he's rejected her every time, and these two seem happy together. So I guess it works.
Humum to....
13 Zebra Finches....and 2 squeeps!
3 Society Finches
6 Gouldians
1 Weaver
1 Pintail Whydah
2 Cockatiels
2 Parakeets

....along with 1 MinPin, 1 Pug, 1 JRT, 1 Yorkie, 2 Chihuahuas and 15 cats.


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Re: Flock Update!

Post by afinch » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:37 pm

Pics of the baby zebs please!

Our boys JUST started coloring up - ~ 8 weeks now. I think they're both fawn/grey cheeks, so their coloration probably won't be going too far anyway :) Messi's change seems to be typically gradual, while Spot's seems incredibly fast. He dropped 40% of his feathers almost overnight! And now he's chuck full of pins all over, many of them not in his baby white base color.

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Re: Flock Update!

Post by MiaCarter » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:53 pm

afinch --- You're right! It's time for updated photos! Coming up!

Hmm.....you say your guys just started coloring up at 8 weeks?

My guys are 7 weeks.
So maybe there's a possibility that Pippin could still change into a boy?

Piper is changing super quickly! Almost all of his spotted flank feathers are in. He's got a bunch of orange cheek feathers too.
He's got a bunch of striped feathers coming in on his chest too. Curiously, he's always had a black chest bar, so he's got that already.
Humum to....
13 Zebra Finches....and 2 squeeps!
3 Society Finches
6 Gouldians
1 Weaver
1 Pintail Whydah
2 Cockatiels
2 Parakeets

....along with 1 MinPin, 1 Pug, 1 JRT, 1 Yorkie, 2 Chihuahuas and 15 cats.


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Re: Flock Update!

Post by afinch » Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:12 pm

My experience has been that males that don't have much color by 2.5-3 months don't end up with much color later on. I'm sure it varies between birds, though there might be some dilution mutations at play. I forgot what your babies looked like. Pics would be helpful :)

I'm pretty sure my guys have a bunch of dilution mutations that shouldn't have been mixed together. Im not expecting them to color up much.

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Re: Flock Update!

Post by MiaCarter » Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:24 pm

Here we go!
Updated pics!

I would expect Pippin to look like Squeepers if s/he is a male. The same light complexion. You can see Squeepers in the background of one of Pippin's pics. But I'd expect at least see one male feather or some singing attempts. None of that. (But Piper is singing and has tons of boy feathers.)

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See, with Pippin, s/he recently shed a few chest feathers. They came back in white. So that makes me think s/he is female because they should have been black or striped, as they were right in the area of the chest where you'd see the barring.

Pippin has a couple light grey feathers where you'd see the black chest bar, but those have always been there and there haven't been any more.

There's a tiny shadow of pinkness on one cheek (pictured), but I think it's just the underlying skin as you can clearly see where her ear hole is.
Humum to....
13 Zebra Finches....and 2 squeeps!
3 Society Finches
6 Gouldians
1 Weaver
1 Pintail Whydah
2 Cockatiels
2 Parakeets

....along with 1 MinPin, 1 Pug, 1 JRT, 1 Yorkie, 2 Chihuahuas and 15 cats.


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Re: Flock Update!

Post by afinch » Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:40 pm

Yeah pippin looks like a young CFW female to me. Any reason you think it might be a male?

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Re: Flock Update!

Post by MiaCarter » Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:50 pm

afinch -- Nope. Nothing to suggest male as far as I can see.

The dominant personality is what made me think male. Pippin has been dominant, even as a little hatchling. S/he has always acted very male.

But there's just nothing to suggest male at this point.
Piper is already trying to sing and as you can see, he's got tons of boy feathers.

Piper's adult feathers came in much faster than Squeepers. Piper barely finished feathering up and he was already getting adult feathers in.
Whereas Squeepers was born on April 21/22 and even now he still has a few straggler grey feathers left on his head and neck that need to molt out. (You can actually see them in the pic with Pippin.)

Pippin looks just like mom Ivy. In fact, it's hard to tell them apart by looks! Ivy is missing a few tail feathers from when Pippin and Piper went through a "chew-on-mom's-tail" phase, so that's the main differential.
And behavior, of course. Ivy is a sweetheart and Pippin is.....Pippin is Pippin. LOL

When I pull them to put them in a separate cage, I'd like to band them. But I know if I give Pippin a girl band, that's when she'll sprout a boy feather! LOL
Humum to....
13 Zebra Finches....and 2 squeeps!
3 Society Finches
6 Gouldians
1 Weaver
1 Pintail Whydah
2 Cockatiels
2 Parakeets

....along with 1 MinPin, 1 Pug, 1 JRT, 1 Yorkie, 2 Chihuahuas and 15 cats.


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Re: Flock Update!

Post by afinch » Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:59 pm

I think its fairly safe to assume she's a female. Wait another week to be sure. My boys sing continuously all day long now - at 8 weeks old.

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