Strawberry Finches

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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by Sally » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:06 pm

Colt wrote: And then you have great breeders like Scott Golden who work with a species and sell birds and within a year is unable to track down any of the birds he sold because the buyers didn't breed them...
Some great points, Colt. When I first started working with the Strawberries, and I had such a hard time finding any other breeders, I only swapped with a few breeders, plus I had extra males, so I sold males to those who had lonely females, in hopes of getting babies out of those hens before they aged out. Unfortunately, most of them were already too old.

But I was criticized for not selling to everyone. Some felt I was being selfish, keeping them all to myself. I learned the hard way with BCCBs that you never sell your F1 or even F2 babies if you really want to improve the numbers. I sold those BCCB babies, and then the imports stopped, my pairs aged out, and I didn't have anything but old birds for a while.

There has been a lot of talk with NFSS about breeders needing to work with certain species to keep them from disappearing from U.S. aviculture. I sympathize with their feelings, yet they have to realize that it is impractical to think we can save every species. In order to work seriously to bring up numbers, you have to have an absolute minimum of 3 pairs of birds, but realistically, you need 10 to 12 pairs of birds. Start working with just 3 species, and you have 30-36 pairs of birds to house and care for. Hopefully, you have lots of babies too, but that also means more cages, food, work and time, not to mention the money.

How many of us have the space, the time, the money to maintain such breeding programs? If you could get 4 different breeders to work with 3 pairs each, you could spread out the work and the expense. The reality is that most of us are hobby breeders, working with multiple species, and we really don't accomplish enough. Someone could specialize only in Fire finches and need a whole bird building just for those. Then you have multiple twinspots, multiple CBs, multiple pytillias--the list goes on.

Europe is far ahead of us, but then finch keeping has always been more popular there than here--look some time at the size of their bird shows! Proximity makes a difference too, they are able to drive to other breeders, check out stock, do lots of swapping. We tend to be spread all over the country, dependent on shipping to swap bloodlines.

People begged and begged for Strawberries, yet when those big shipments came in, some of the brokers couldn't even sell all of them. People felt they were too expensive, but I doubt seriously they will ever get back to being the cheap birds they once were. It also depends on the part of the country. Waxbills simply don't sell well in our area. Ahmed has lovely domestic BCCBs and RB Fires, yet he has trouble selling them at the marts--people expect them to be priced like Societies, I guess. Though most of us realize that we don't make money in this hobby, we still don't want to give away these more expensive birds.

OK, I need to get off my soapbox! :lol: Some of these species are doomed to disappear for no other reason than they are no longer being imported, or they are so difficult to breed that only zoos have any success with them, or they are so expensive that the average person simply can't afford them. There are still plenty of beautiful species that are within reason for the average hobbyist.
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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by w.l. » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:17 am

Sally wrote: But I was criticized for not selling to everyone.
Kudos for that!
Too many breeders only care about money, and will sell anything to anyone for a price.
As the people with money are not always the ones with the knowledge, many birds must end up in the wrong hands.
Species like strawberries, with the cute tiny size and pretty colors must appeal to many people who will then just keep them as if they were societies, with zero chance of breeding.
Even if one has doubts about "saving" certain species in aviculture, there is no harm in trying, and an important step would be to sell offspring only to those who have the necessary knowledge and dedication to breed them.

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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by yegbirdlover » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:34 am

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I am located in Edmonton and I have 1 breeding pair that have produced 9 chicks in the last 3 months. I am wondering if you can give me the contact info for this pair in Calgary? I am looking to expand my gene pool a bit.

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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by w.l. » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:03 am

Just sharing some pix of the yellow-bellied strawberries (ssp flavidiventris) I have recently got hold of rather unexpectedly. Very pretty birds and rare to get them even here.
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But I now have something of a headache about where to house them permanently - I got 3 pairs, and all my aviaries are already occupied!
BTW, can strawberries normally be kept in a small group of 2-4 pairs in the same aviary, or will that lead to fighting in the breeding season?

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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by Sally » Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:10 pm

Beautiful photos! I've never seen this subspecies. As far as your question about maintaining 2-4 pairs in an aviary, a friend keeps multiple pairs in a large sun porch. It is more difficult to keep track of parentage in a colony situation, but her pairs nest away from each other. Just to be sure, she has two separate groups of Strawberries. While one group is breeding in the sun porch, the second group is resting elsewhere. When the first group has had enough clutches, she reverses the groups, letting the second group have the sun porch for breeding. Quite an ingenious program, in my opinion.
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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by wilkifam » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:49 pm

Strawberries are down to $89 on Thefinchfarm.com - and I feel like their prices tend to be quite high.
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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by Sam007 » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:54 pm

Wow. Strawberries are really pretty! :D
I love Gouldian Finches.

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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by pipit.indo » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:26 am

Love this SF very much. I have a male n 2 females, already kept them from juvenile, hope will produce this season.
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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by w.l. » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:32 pm

I did eventually put my 3 yellow-bellied A. a. flavidiventris pair into my main aviary already holding a pair of Javan A. a. punicea (and other species).
All went peacefully, and to my relief (as I don't like to mix different subspecies) the punicea pair keeps apart from the yellow-bellied ones.
They are hard to observe as my aviary has an indoor and otdoor part and they always stay in the one away from me, however in my last days home several of the yellow-bellies were not seen on their usual perches outside so may be nesting....?
Fingers crossed!
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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by Derk » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:24 pm

w.l.
Good luck! The Sf with the yellow abdomens are very pretty.
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Re: Strawberry Finches

Post by Derk » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:25 pm

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Are you still looking? I have made a contact with a breeder in Ontario that successfully fledged some babies about a week ago from what he believes to be wild caught stock that arrived last year.
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strawberries 1 pr, 2 F
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Melodious Cuban finch M
gouldian red head norm. M, yellow white breast M
green singer M
canary, gloster, corona, blue pied, M
cut-throat 1 pr & 1 M

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