Which products to purchase ?

[vinay]

Which products would you all suggest for various anti-parasite treatments ?
I have a general anti-parasite spray and I know 'Scatt by Vetafarm ' is used for air sac mites . I'm clueless as to what other issues regarding infections can occur and which products can be used to treat them.
We don't have many specialized avian vets over here. Even the few who are there are only experienced with bigger birds like parrots and mainly general procedures like wing clipping and nail trimming which I can do myself. The one vet close by whom I know who is okay with small birds rarely has the products to provide complete treatment.

We don't have many bird health-related products available here which is why I'm planning to order some of the common products online . I would love to get some input regarding this.

[Sally]

As you said, Scatt for air sac mites, but for external parasites, I love Avian Insect Liquidator by Vetafarm, if you can get it. It is a permethrin product, but quite safe for birds. You can even spray the birds with it, plus the cages, etc.

[TailFeathers]

Which products would you all suggest for various anti-parasite treatments ?
I have a general anti-parasite spray and I know 'Scatt by Vetafarm ' is used for air sac mites . I'm clueless as to what other issues regarding infections can occur and which products can be used to treat them.
We don't have many specialized avian vets over here. Even the few who are there are only experienced with bigger birds like parrots and mainly general procedures like wing clipping and nail trimming which I can do myself. The one vet close by whom I know who is okay with small birds rarely has the products to provide complete treatment.

We don't have many bird health-related products available here which is why I'm planning to order some of the common products online . I would love to get some input regarding this.

Hello,

You're located in UAE. ITS HOT there I know because I travelled there on a business venture. Your customers may wear lots of fragrance, so be careful when they visit.

The best method to keep your birds safe is to keep them healthy in an environment where you can stop the problem before it occurs.

You'll need vitamins, broad base antibiotics and other medications like Scatt, mite liquadators and ivermectin also for air sac mites.

Another good thing to have on hand is tetrakilon forte it has like 4-5 antibiotics in it.

Lastly, you need probiotic supplement to add to the seeds and increased dosage after an antibiotic cycle.

If you're cage breeding make sure you keep a close eye for any sign of illness and you may consider putting them on preventative cycles, low dose antibiotics.

I don't do that, because Im afraid it will weaken their immune system and increase the chances that the antibiotics will stop working due to antibiotic resistance and superbugs. (If you feed egg, the chickens are fed antibiotics and may be In the eggs also).

[vinay]

TailFeathers

Thank you for the info !
I do have the general multivitamin drops at home and use them in the birds' water a few times a month .

Apart from general vitamins and anti-parasite sprays , we don't have ivermectin , scatt or any of the probiotics available here.

Yes it does get extremely hot here during the summers . It ranges between 45-55 degrees Celsius for almost 4 months of the year. Since all of my birds are housed outside, I've covered my balcony with wooden blinds , provide bathing bowls everyday and keep a house fan running throughout the day. My hookbills(budgies , tiels and lovebirds) and doves (diamond and Senegal) seem to do fine with the temperature.
I am a bit worried about my new finches and canaries and if they can cope or not . Its winter here at the moment at around 20-25 degrees . Hopefully they should acclimatize as the months pass .Otherwise I'll have to get them indoors for those few months .

Sorry but I didn't quite understand the customers bit.

[TailFeathers]

TailFeathers

Thank you for the info !
I do have the general multivitamin drops at home and use them in the birds' water a few times a month .

Apart from general vitamins and anti-parasite sprays , we don't have ivermectin , scatt or any of the probiotics available here.

Yes it does get extremely hot here during the summers . It ranges between 45-55 degrees Celsius for almost 4 months of the year. Since all of my birds are housed outside, I've covered my balcony with wooden blinds , provide bathing bowls everyday and keep a house fan running throughout the day. My hookbills(budgies , tiels and lovebirds) and doves (diamond and Senegal) seem to do fine with the temperature.
I am a bit worried about my new finches and canaries and if they can cope or not . Its winter here at the moment at around 20-25 degrees . Hopefully they should acclimatize as the months pass .Otherwise I'll have to get them indoors for those few months .
Sorry but I didn't quite understand the customers bit.

Hello,

If you're breeding for hobby no worries. If you're breeding for sale, then watch out from perfumes. Over there it's customary to wear perfume oils on hands and clothes and very strong fragrant ones I might mention.

So if these customers are wearing perfume... In Dubai called attar.. (I used to make these too by the way, you're speaking to a perfumer) then be careful as the lungs of canaries are extremely sensitive.

Since you're in UAE. Arabs love a bird, known as European goldfinch, or hassoun. They are more dessert hardy than canaries.

[vinay]

TailFeathers
I barely qualify as a breeder. I've bred my budgies and tiels a few times more as a person whose interested in the experience rather than for selling. Plus its illegal to sell animals here without a license so breeding in large numbers without one is not possible.

I'm not a local or an Arab. We're one of the many immigrants you might've seen on your trip who've settled here for years. My family moved here in the 70s/80s long before I was born.
We don't use attar at home but do use an Indian version of the 'oudh'
called 'agarbatti' which if you don't know already is a smoke based air freshener kind of thing. I do make sure the birds are nowhere near the place where its being used.

Never heard of the European Goldfinch . Will have a look around regarding them though ive never seen one around until now.

[TailFeathers]

TailFeathers
I barely qualify as a breeder. I've bred my budgies and tiels a few times more as a person whose interested in the experience rather than for selling. Plus its illegal to sell animals here without a license so breeding in large numbers without one is not possible.

I'm not a local or an Arab. We're one of the many immigrants you might've seen on your trip who've settled here for years. My family moved here in the 70s/80s long before I was born.
We don't use attar at home but do use an Indian version of the 'oudh'
called 'agarbatti' which if you don't know already is a smoke based air freshener kind of thing. I do make sure the birds are nowhere near the place where its being used.

Never heard of the European Goldfinch . Will have a look around regarding them though ive never seen one around until now.

Hello Vinay,

I bet you're from Kerala. If not, the some other part of India.? I visited india. I travelled the entire world and I must say south India is by far more beautiful than any place on earth, without question.

If not, you're from the indo-pak region?

The European goldfinch is a very beautiful bird, especially the newer mutations. The only downside to raising them is they require greens on a daily basis. I'm not sure how fresh the fruits and veggies are there. I'm not even sure if UAE uses grow beds indoors for greens either.

You also have to provide fresh water everyday or better use a running water system bc they dunk their sunflower seeds in it a lot.

Anyway, hope you have fun breeding them. Don't forget, in Arabic it's called "hassoun".

[vinay]

TailFeathers
Hahaha impressive ! You were pretty close. I'm from the neighbouring state of Tamil Nadu though my parents grew up in the north (Mumbai) before moving here. Whereabouts are you from and what kind of birds do you keep ?

I did some basic research on the Goldfinch . I happened to go to the bird market today but did not see any for sale. I did however chance upon some White and Black Mannikins and purchased a pair (I posted this in another thread). I also got another pair of Gouldians .

[TailFeathers]

TailFeathers
Hahaha impressive ! You were pretty close. I'm from the neighbouring state of Tamil Nadu though my parents grew up in the north (Mumbai) before moving here. Whereabouts are you from and what kind of birds do you keep ?

I did some basic research on the Goldfinch . I happened to go to the bird market today but did not see any for sale. I did however chance upon some White and Black Mannikins and purchased a pair (I posted this in another thread). I also got another pair of Gouldians .

I was just about to say Tamil Nadu. I have lots of Indian friends. Tamils have the poetic language of India, a beautiful section of India, just more dry.

The hassoun comes in three kinds: European, Siberian and Himalayan. They are very strong birds, but if you don't provide the right diet they die fast. This is bc many people put them on a canary finch deity without providing the necessary nourishment for them.

I keep canaries and zebra finches. If you want to make money, zebra and society finches are brand new to the region. Breed them and sell them, because the little kids love them and they're very cute birds for them.

I'm from Jerusalem by ethnicity, but I was born and raised in the states.

Just remember that Arabs are extremely fond of birds. I remember landing in UAE and some guy was holding a falcon as if it was normal in the middle of the airport! That's the gulf lifestyle.

Elsewhere, they LOVE birds. Trust me when I say this. Even poor Arabs will raise a bird once in a lifetime. If they can't do that, they always leave food for them.

I've raised race pigeons as a child. I let them live in a shed on a rooftop before. I let them fly, they always came back every time!

[TailFeathers]

TailFeathers

Thank you for the info !
I do have the general multivitamin drops at home and use them in the birds' water a few times a month .

Apart from general vitamins and anti-parasite sprays , we don't have ivermectin , scatt or any of the probiotics available here.

Yes it does get extremely hot here during the summers . It ranges between 45-55 degrees Celsius for almost 4 months of the year. Since all of my birds are housed outside, I've covered my balcony with wooden blinds , provide bathing bowls everyday and keep a house fan running throughout the day. My hookbills(budgies , tiels and lovebirds) and doves (diamond and Senegal) seem to do fine with the temperature.
I am a bit worried about my new finches and canaries and if they can cope or not . Its winter here at the moment at around 20-25 degrees . Hopefully they should acclimatize as the months pass .Otherwise I'll have to get them indoors for those few months .

Sorry but I didn't quite understand the customers bit.

I forgot to mention. The max temp a canary should be placed at is 80f or about 26-27 C.

They'll need extra water in the summer months where it can reach a burning hot 100-120F on a daily basis.

As for probiotics, I'm sure you can find. They have some pharmacies, just ask around with different pharmacists to see if they have a product. I know that yogurt and Arabian thick creams have it, but I'm unsure if you want to use that as dairy can upset them.

I used it once before to replace gut flora after an antibiotic cycle and the canary took a while to get back to health.

Good luck

[vinay]

TailFeathers
Tamil is a beautiful language and its a pity that I can barely speak it.
I have loads of people from my family living around the US. I've been planning a visit for a while but haven't been able to make it happen.

Actually , the so called 'common' birds are pretty common here too. Canaries , zebras , tiels , budgies etc are readily available in any small pet store.
If you even do come here again , you have to visit the Sharjah animal market. Even though the conditions there are appalling and extremely disgusting , the sheer variety of birds ranging from birds of prey , finches , parrots , insectivores and even fruit pigeons from Australia are quite a sight. I doubt many zoos have such a variety of birds
Yes they're crazy about anything exotic right from rare birds , big cats , cars etc.

Unfortunately there are no bird groups or conventions (excluding falcons) here like other parts of the world. There are no local breeders mainly due to the weather . Hence getting handraised birds as well as proper bloodlines is next to impossible. Bird lovers like me have to rely on imports and are forced to purchase from not-so-nice places .


I guess I shall be bringing my finches in during the summer.