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Fun and foraging

Post by jehoshabeath » Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:53 pm

Hello everyone,

I have a question about keeping finches happy in their flight cage. (I still don't have any, but am talking to my family about it :) )

Yesterday I went to the pet store with my parents to see the society finches. There were four of them and they were busy trying to weave a piece of straw into their nest. Well, one was trying to put it in place and another was trying to move it (or remove it?) hehe. They were working at this the whole time we were there and they looked quite happy, though one was trying to sleep.

I've read that if you don't want finches to breed, it's wise not to give them a nest or nesting material. I've also read that finches aren't interested in bird toys the way that parakeets are. Are there things that could be put in a finch cage to keep them busy and entertained, besides nesting material? If I get finches, I want them to be happy :)

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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by Sheather » Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:57 pm

Society finches, IMO, are an exception to the no-nests recommendation because they don't get aggressive over them. I can't think of anything they really enjoy more than building nests.
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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by delray » Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:02 pm

jehoshabeath hey Megan. What you are doing in great. Collecting as much information as you can before you get finches. Very wise. =D> =D>

My societies love their nesting material. It's so funny to watch take almost anything and bring it to the nest.

Here are some must have requirements in the cage to keep them happy and heathy.

1. Cuttle bone/ this keeps their beak nice and trimmed
2. Pedi perch/perch that they use to trim nails
3. Enough perches near water feeders, seed holders. And more
The rest you already know.

You are right, finches don't use toys like parrots. My finches really enjoy having a swing in their cage too.

If I were you, I would get just males. This way, there is no breeding drama and you can keep a nest and material in the cage all the time.

Hope this helped.
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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by Ginene » Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:24 pm

I agree with delray...If you want a nest (which triggers egg laying in hens) without babies, then get yourself 2 males. If you are unsure of what you are purchasing (unidentified sex), do yourself a favor and don't put nests in the cage. Finches LOVE silk plants, greens and vines! Go to the Dollar Tree or craft store and pick up some silk or plastic plants for your finches to play in. They also LOVE swings!!! A swing is a MUST for my birds ;) In my society flight, I have 8 society finches. They love to snuggle and sleep together...so I purchased a corner shelf (in the bird section @ PetSmart) so there was plenty of space for sleepy snuggles. They also have lots of fun playing with the fresh leafy greens (kale, spinach, romaine) I give to them. Do not worry about them being bored...finches are flock birds, so as long as there's at least 2 finches in your cage they will be happy! And remember...when buying a cage...Width (distance from left to right) is WAY more important than height. 30" Wide is a good start for these guys, so they are able to exercise their flight wings :)

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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by jehoshabeath » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:35 pm

Thanks so much for the ideas, everyone! These are great :)

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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by Rox » Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:48 am

You can even plant small pots of seed (use organic soil and then just plant your normal bird seed) or that cat grass stuff that you find at the pet shops. Let the seeds sprout and grow to a couple of cm high and put the pot in the cage. Your birds will love foraging and scratching around in the dirt of the pot and eating the new growth of the plant shoots. If you get enough pots going, you can rotate them so that you can put a new dish in every week.

I do this with my one aviary which doesn't have any live plants and the birds all love it. Great stimulation for them and good nutrition too :)
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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by jehoshabeath » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:44 pm

This sounds fun :) Thanks so much for the idea, Roxanne!

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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by Sheather » Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:04 pm

I really oppose the idea of keeping societies without nests, having tried it they appeared very bored and irritated and often panicked in the dark and became disoriented because they were exposed. Nesting is a vital, natural part of their behavior and Idon't believe it should be deprived. Some birds cannot be kept with nests in a flock when caged, like zebras, but socies are not in that category. If you don't want babies, just throw out eggs. The hens will stop after a week or so and mine will then go a few months before they try again. I don't believe this is an unhealthy amount with sufficient calcium intake.

My finches also do like toys, particularly mirrors, bells, and sisal ropes they can preen.
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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by MiaCarter » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:11 pm

I always offer little foraging bins and they seem to really love them.

You get a little tupperware tub (the type used for brownies or cupcakes, so shallow sides) and fill with timothy hay and little treats. I mix it up in terms of the treats. I've used tonic seeds, crushed freeze dried bugs, Miracle Meal. Anything that won't "go off" if they leave it in there for a day or longer.

You can also put little stones on the bottom of the bin. I'd done this originally to add weight to help keep the bin in the center of the cage to limit the mess. But I've found that the little stones added an element of complexity to their foraging, which they enjoyed. (e.g. the treats would get caught under the little stones, so they'd have to nose around a bit more to get them.)

They love rooting around for the treats and they love playing with the bits of hay, carrying them around and starting little nests.

I think that fulfills some of their nesting urges too.

I've tried toys with bells and mirrors, but the finches have never really used them.

I do think that enrichment is a huge part of finch keeping. Many people think of them as simplistic or "easy" birds, since they're not as demanding of humans. But they do have complex needs socially and mentally. Enrichment is a very important part of the equation. Otherwise, they get bored and when they're bored, aggression or other destructive behavior emerges.

I tend to agree with Sheather that it does seem wrong to deprive certain birds of a nest. This is especially true once you see how much they enjoy building and un-building and re-building it. It clearly gives them purpose and joy. And it's easy enough to pull out eggs if they're laid.
I've found that birds who get too aggressive over nests can do well with the components of a nest. (e.g. a bird shelf in the corner and some hay and bits of toilet paper). They'll set to work trying to build a nest on the shelf. They don't seem to be as possessive of these nests-in-progress and most are woeful nest builders and don't get much further than a loose pile of hay and paper. (Though they do learn and improve over time.)
But it doesn't seem to matter to them. It seems that most of the joy is in building the nest, not really using it. (Evidenced by the fact that I have several who are perpetual nest builders. They're always stuffing nests, then un-stuffing them, then re-stuffing. So in our bird room, it's either a building day or a tear-down day! LOL)
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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by MiaCarter » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:19 pm

Oh, another thought....

You can also make it challenging for them to get the nesting material.
Some people will put hay and papers in a net sack, but I'm too paranoid to use net.

So instead, I'll stuff the materials into a toilet paper roll.
I'll cut a couple diamond holes around the center so they can get the stuff near the middle.

You can hang that inside the cage or just toss it onto the floor and let them have at it!

Again, it's about replicating the processes they go through in nature. In nature, they need to work for their nesting, so this replicates that.

The foraging bin does the same. They have to forage for food in the wild.
In fact, if you don't give a foraging bin, you may notice that some birds try to peck through the floor grate to get the spilled seed. They do this despite the fact that they have a full food bowl. This is the foraging instinct coming out.
Humum to....
13 Zebra Finches....and 2 squeeps!
3 Society Finches
6 Gouldians
1 Weaver
1 Pintail Whydah
2 Cockatiels
2 Parakeets

....along with 1 MinPin, 1 Pug, 1 JRT, 1 Yorkie, 2 Chihuahuas and 15 cats.


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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by jehoshabeath » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:22 pm

Thank you so much for your replies, Sheather and MiaCarter. I appreciate learning from your experience and knowledge of society finches. I like the ideas that you described and am making notes :) Thanks again for helping me to learn!

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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by delray » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:22 am

jehoshabeath I would go to the breeder or shop you are interested in and pay close attention to the societies behavior. If you see ones that extend their neck and moves side to side (very visible thing) then they are males. It's called the puffy dance. Like I said before with male societies you have have a nest with nesting material all the time. No breeding drama is good for starters in my opinion. You can just enjoy them, until or if you decide to get more. :wink:
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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by jehoshabeath » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:20 pm

Thanks, delray! I will watch for the puffy dance :) hehe

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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by jebediah » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:07 am

My birds love this toy from petco:

http://www.petco.com/product/104723/Pla ... plies_Toys

I shove it to the back of a perch near the floor, then they pull if off the perch. We repeat the process. :)

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Re: Fun and foraging

Post by jehoshabeath » Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:29 pm

hehe, that sounds fun! Thanks for the idea, jebediah :)

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