Help with Medistatin for Yeast

[flymouse]

Ok Lorraine from LadyGouldian.com told me as I stated in some earlier posts there was a couple possibilities for my problems with Society Finches babies dying. One was a disease they carry and pass on. That is not able to be cured. So to me no since buying the medication for it.

Another was possible YEAST infection. And it being passed to young which is deadly for them. She said to treat for that and see if my breeding and the outcome is a lot better.

So I just ordered and got it in the mail. Only problem is the dosage is in grams and ml. Ok so I went to the Conversion chart at http://www.ladygouldianfinch.com/featur ... rsions.php

I learned that 1 g= 1/4 tsp. Ok I can do that.
Then 250 ml = 1 cup

Problem is it says mix 1 g to 20 ml SOOOOO how much is 20 ml ?????

[Babs _Owner]

flymouse

1 fl. ounce=29.57 milliliters. Seems about 20 mil is almost 2/3 fl. ounce to 29.57 milliliters per gallon. So a bit less than fluid ounce?
I hate metric conversion

Glaring at all the UK people for mucking it up. hhahaha

[Sally]

20 mi = .67 fluid ounce (2/3 of an ounce). The easiest way to measure this is if you can get a syringe that holds 20 mi (or even a 10 ml syringe, filling it 2 times). In a very small cup, mix 1/4 tsp. of Medistatin to 20 ml of water.

[monotwine]

Easiest explination: 20ml is 4 teaspoon (1 teaspoon is 5ml).

Gosh I hate ounces and feet etc. Hectic to convert with all the digits.

I vote we make we make the metric system global law. LOL out with Imperial!!!! really confuses me when I'm trying to bake an american recipe.
know this attitude is so not going to go down well as the majority on here are imperial system users. LOL

[flymouse]

lol yep I vote we get rid of metric system. LOL Thank you so much ladies. I have a syringe and I have a tsp. So going with the latter.

oh crap I just read the rest of the directions. We are not done here in bird math class ladies.

Ok so

Mix 1/4 tsp with 4 tsp of water.

Then administer 1 ml (???) of mixture to
100g (???) body weight twice per day

And about how much does an adult society finch weigh

[Sally]

Omigosh, that complicates things. Finches vary tremendously in weight, depending on the species, and even within a species, weight can vary from one bird to another. Let's say the weight for a Gouldian could be 15g to 25g, average 20g. So now you need to administer 1/5 of a ml of this mixture. Syringes are marked in mls, so a l ml syringe will have the markings on the side. I'd give .2 ml to an average Gouldian.

I think you all have figured out by now that I am not a very precise and rigid breeder. In fact, I am almost too casual in my approach at times. Back when I was hand feeding and wanted to add Medistatin to my hand feeding formula, I simply added the tiniest pinch to the formula, no measuring.

@flymouse Good luck with this, I think you are good to go now.

[Babs _Owner]

monotwine

Hahhaha! I say we just do away with math all together! A bit of this a dash of that. Heck when I cook rice I fill whatever pot Im using with rice, and put in enough water so that its exactly with height over the rice of the 1st knuckle on my pinkie finger. Ta-dah! Perfect rice every time.

Sally
I truly need someone to draw me pictures. Nothing fancy, stick people, a spoon ....a red arrow that says "fill to this line" ;)

[Smurf]

The suspension method is for dosing birds directly, i.e administering it by hand into beak/crop of each individual bird.

There's an alternative easier way to treat the birds by mixing it with the softfood and/or seed which the birds then eat, i mix about 0.5ml of wheatgerm oil with 100g of seed or softfood followed by 1g medistatin and give in a clean dish as the only source of food for the duration of treatment (5-7 days).

[monotwine]

Smurf I also gave Mickey Jo instructions on coating seed. So much easier and far easier to administer and get the right ratio's and measurements.

[cindy]

One of our ladies with clinical training in avian medicine recommends the medistatin mix given to the side of the beak also. (ml is the same as cc on a syringe)

I tried the whole coating the seed with wheat germ oil (no medicating at the time) and my birds would not accept it. You can coat a little of the their favorite veggie (finely grated carrot, some add it to egg food, good stuff!) that you know they will eat with it to see if they will accept the wheat germ oil. Do be aware it goes rancid quickly and should only be left out for a short period of time, not all day, especially if the room is warm. I found the Wheat germ oil at a health food store. I kept the bottle in the fridge.

[flymouse]

lol yep I vote we get rid of metric system. LOL Thank you so much ladies. I have a syringe and I have a tsp. So going with the latter.

oh crap I just read the rest of the directions. We are not done here in bird math class ladies.

Ok so

Mix 1/4 tsp with 4 tsp of water.

Then administer 1 ml (???) of mixture to
100g (???) body weight twice per day

And about how much does an adult society finch weigh

So sorry I have been missing for a bit. Things are crazy here. And my little on line craft store has picked up a tiny bit. Enough to buy more crafts. LOL

Ok no one I see understood my Questions up above.

From what I understood I need to mix 1/4 tsp with 4 tsp of water is that correct ???? Seems really strong.


Well what I ended up doing for a week or about 8 days. I sprinkled a very very very tiny bit over there eggs.

Gerti is now sitting on 5 eggs. I want to know at what age do I do this again so that the babies are treated. I sure hope Yeast is the problem with all the babies dying.

Thanks everyone.

[cindy]

To also help keep yeast at bay you can use organic ACV 1 1/2 to 2 tablespoons to a gallon of water once or twice a week, even when the parents are feeding young.

[Spreckles]

Wish I would have seen this sooner! Believe it or not nurses do have to learn a lot about medication conversion formulas. It's easier to stay in metric then to convert to teasp and tablespoons. BUT the good news is it sounds like you got it right. The missing part for me was how much the dose was in the 1 g, 1 gram is a lot for a little bird but by the time you finished it was diluted to a logical amount.

OK so 5 ml is one teasp. If you think about little med cups you get with cough syrups etc.. they usually have other measurements on them. 1 ml is a very small amount. I would go to the pharmacy and ask to purchase an insulin syringe or a 3 cc syringe. Tell the pharmacist you need to draw up 1 ml.

They will sell you the syringes or a vet will and they are cheap.

Hope it works out and you save your little ones!

There are nursing math formula lessons on you tube.

[Spreckles]

flymouse

Can you start at the beginning and copy the directions? It would not be confusing for me to do this for you. Basically it's a mg/kg/ dosage. I need an estimate of body weight. If you are treating the babies this is extremely important these drugs are hard on the liver.

Copy the label directions exactly and then ask some birdie experts approximate weights for your babies.

A pound is 2.2 kg. We will be in ounces or even less so the dose is going to be very very small.

Karen

[flymouse]

Karen if you read through the posts you will see I have already done before what you are asking. And I have not given any to babies because I don't have any from them. Just the male and female.

Then administer 1 ml (???) of mixture to
100g (???) body weight twice per day

20 mi = .67 fluid ounce (2/3 of an ounce). The easiest way to measure this is if you can get a syringe that holds 20 mi (or even a 10 ml syringe, filling it 2 times). In a very small cup, mix 1/4 tsp. of Medistatin to 20 ml of water.

Hello again Karen and Sally,

I have asked this below but NO ONE seems to know I am asking a question. I went back to you because you both are the only ones that made since. Thanks to everyone for trying to help but I have a hard time understanding things now.




Then administer
1 ml (???)
of mixture to 100g (???)

What is the tsp measurements to this.

the rest is below....................
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Also do you know a body weight on a Society Finch.


Thanks again to EVERYONE that is trying to help me.