URGENT help needed, canary heavy breathing during incubation

[isloocanary]

Guys, pls see the below video and help me what to do.....this is one of my favorite canary whose sitting on her first clutch, she has a history of troubled breathing but then things seemed normal, but just today, I noticed her breathing heavy. I don't think its ASM as there is no clicking...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ic2re

I have done everyting possible for her in the time leading upto breeding, SCATT, Tripple C, Ronivet, Anti mite spray, Nekton S and E...

My main question is, should I let her continue to sit on her 4 beautiful fertile eggs or should I remove her, I do have another pair sitting on infertile eggs, I can switch the eggs....

And how do I treat her, whats wrong with her in your opinion, is it Psittacosis or maybe my SCATT is ineffective. I don't have a luxury of taking her to vet....other than this problem, she is very healthy, but doesn't chirp much

Pls suggest whatever you think is wrong with her..

[lovezebs]

isloocanary

Sorry to hear about your girl.

A good bit of advice for the future, is not to breed any birds which have some history of unresolved or unexplained health issues.

Sadly, we are not Veterinarians, and can't diagnose .

Personally (if it was me) and if I had a bird in distress, I would remove the eggs and foster them. I would offer the sick bird heat and good food, and would not breed her again.

Hopefully whatever is wrong with her, is not genetic, and will not pass on to her chicks (if they hatch).

[Sally]

She's definitely breathing heavy, but I have no idea what could cause it--could be a respiratory infection, mites, who knows? With a pair sitting on infertile eggs, I'd sure be tempted to switch out the eggs and let them foster. Then you can concentrate on her and her health.

[Atbird]

isloocanary

Is she only doing it when you are near her? Sometimes, when they sit on the nest many canaries won't move but they still get scared and pant. Or maybe she was laying another egg?

[Malti]

What temperature is the room? Is she damp underneath when she gets up from the eggs?

[cindy]

I realize you mentioned you do not hear clicking but there was mention of past breathing issues.

"There are other causes of 'clicking sounds', and all indicate respiratory system problems. Clicking can also be chronic, caused by scar tissue remaining from prior airsac mites or other infections; viral, bacterial, or fungal. Most infections of the canary air passages cause lesions in the soft moist internal tissues that when they heal create scar tissues. When the bird is stressed and breathing heavily and rapidly, or is sleeping and breathing cooler air that constricts the air passages, the scar tissue restricted passage can produce 'clicking sounds'.

"When the 'clicking sound' is caused by this old, established and stable, scar tissue there is simply no treatment that will eliminate or 'cure' the 'clicking sound'. Many breeders have experienced owning such a bird, that for years while a 'clicker' was healthy, fertile, productive, and otherwise normal.

"Other causes of 'clicking' can occur, such as a bacterial infection that causes air passages to fill and drip a clear liquid, that often dries up around the nostrils and leaves a chalky residue upon drying. Some stressful digestive infections can lead to depressed immune system and air passage congestion caused by improper hydration, mainly a partially dehydrated bird will suffer from lack of enough natural and normal moisture in the air passages that in turn triggers an over production of mucous fluid in the frontal passage directly behind the nostrils, and that can cause 'clicking'.

"So, a thorough overall exam and diagnosis of the bird is needed first. If any signs of digestive or respiratory infection are observed, sample cultures and/or immediate microscope slide observations of the feces, the saliva and any nostril discharge should be done.

"NOT all offending pathogens will be observed but mites will, and also any other parasites. The cultures should be observed and also tested for gram positive & gram negative susceptibility to determine an indicated effective antibiotic, IF ANY. " robirda.com

I tend to agree that considering her past history she should be retired, breeding raising young will put more strain on her system, if she has history of breathing issues it could be a result of past infections or issues.

[cindy]

there can be several different things related to heavy breathing

here is a chart to some of the most common canary/finch diseases

http://www.auspigeonco.com.au/Articles/ ... inch3.html

Article on psittacosis.... http://www.multiscope.com/hotspot/psittacosis.htm

[isloocanary]

Thanks all for replies..
@Atbird,
I don't think that's the case, she does it abt every 2-3 hrs. She had this problem about 2 months back while molting along with eye problem which became horrible but got better with anti-biotic drops. During all this process, her diet and weight wasn't effected. Pls see attached pic, this was the start of her eye condition, I have lost later pics, but it turned into a red pimple type of thing. Basically she started rubbing her eye too much on perches and cage wires.

@Malti,
No she isn't damp from bottom, just all swollen belly of breeding condition, time temp is 14c(60-65F) with natural sunlight..

@ Sally
I have switched the eggs, but I am letting her sit on another pairs' infertile eggs, should I remove the eggs and not let her incubate? She might lay again in seed cup etc if I remove the nest. Do you think incubating eggs is more risky or laying eggs for a not very good hen?
Dear Cindy, thanks, am going through the provided info,

Also pls see today's video, she didn't do too much of it but still looks troubled, doesn't chirp and her tail clearly shows she Is panting but otherwise moves around, eat and drink fine. Will post a better quality video tomorrow
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ihvc ... ng_animals

[adoumski]

isloocanary

Sorry to hear about your hen troubles.

For respiratory issues, i have tried many antibiotics as we also dont have avian vets in Lebanon.
Some birds survived and went back to normal, two passed away.
The best choices are doxicyclyne or baytril (enrofloxacin)