Gouldian ID help needed

[debbie276]

Positively a SF Pastel, very pretty

Why are you thinking he may be the father? I thought the parents were your BH's

[WesKnapp]

the other male is a BH/WB/Green, so I don't think he would produce dilute babies, would he?

[debbie276]

Ahhh, ok so your sure the chick's are SF then

[WesKnapp]

yeah. 2 of the 3 babies have the same back color as the red headed male.

[WesKnapp]

Looks like they are turning into PB/BH(gray)/Dilute SF..... Here's a picture (wish the picture showed all the color I can see in person, but you get the idea....)

[debbie276]

The RH.PB.SF Pastel has to be the male because they clearly have PB
Not sure if it is just that shot but the Pastel in that picture doesn't look well. You may want to watch that one for signs of trouble.

good luck

[WesKnapp]

it's just that shot. But I agree on the "who is the father?" which would make the father red head split black, since the babies are black headed, right? (both birds on the far left are identical in colors, and both male).

[debbie276]

The head color is the last to color in, it's way to early yet to be able to tell color. They are still in their juvenile colors. Barring any hidden genes your chicks should all be RH with the males being RH/BH (RedHead split to BlackHead)

[WesKnapp]

Hidden genes it seems...I think my male (father) was RH/BH split..... One definitely ended up with a gray face and the other seems to be doing juvenile molt slower but seems like it's not getting any other feathers coming in I can tell, so might also be gray. I've attached a pic of the gray headed one and another baby from the same clutch (different parents snuck eggs in) just to see how far along in the juvenile molt they are...

pictured are:

male, BH/PB/SF dilute
male, BH/LB-WB/Split blue

just wanted to post the progress..

Wes

[debbie276]

First picture looks like a BH YTB (genetically YH).PB.Green hen
Seconds picture looks like a ?.PB.Green male

[WesKnapp]

both are male.... unless the females are starting to learn to sing.

what does YTB mean?

[WesKnapp]

without seeing my purple breasts in the same picture it's hard to see but the green male obviously lavender. the parents that reared them are a male: BH/WB/Green and hen: BH/LB-WB/Blue.

but they also hatched egg from the other couple...
male: RH(which I think is split black)/PB/SFYellow
hen: BH/PB/Green
so I read that if you have a SF dilute male w/ purple chest the black head expresses as gray. is that true? the adult feathers are coming in, in the head of the lighter colored one. but they just look gray. red or black is obvious, and I don't see em.

[debbie276]

the parents that reared them are a male: BH/WB/Green and hen: BH/LB-WB/Blue.

Sorry, the belly didn't look dark yellow in the picture. So then he is Black Head Yellow Tipped Beak.Lilac Breast split to White Breast.Green split to Blue (BH YTB.LB/WB.Green/Blue)

what does YTB mean?

YTB means that genetically he is a YH (Yellow Head) but there is no red gene so that he can express it. So when picking mates for him, breed him as a YH.

male: RH(which I think is split black)/PB/SFYellow
hen: BH/PB/Green

From this pair you will get:
RH/BH.PB.SF Pastel and RH/BH.PB.Green
IF the male is split to BH you would get BH and RH/BH SF Pastel or Green

so I read that if you have a SF dilute male w/ purple chest the black head expresses as gray. is that true?

A SF Pastel means that the male has a single pastel gene which will make the color of the body a lighter green color and all black areas gray. I don't see any color in the picture on head yet

Nice looking birds, good luck with them

[WesKnapp]

thanks for your help Debbie!

The picture of the pastel really shows the adult head color shade I think. there's lots of adult feathers coming in on the face if you zoom in, but this gray seems really light colored.... when younger juvenile they were a grayish/reddish color.... I'll try to post a pic from earlier so you can see wha I mean.... I'm not experienced in these type of chicks so I dunno what their colors should look like at what stage. I would obviously know if it was black or red right by now right? ....all the chicks I have from a clutch that are 8 weeks younger have at least a few black feathers coming in on the face.

[WesKnapp]

how do the beak tip colors Come in to play with head color, or do they?

I have the black and red head down, but the yellow head confuses the you-know-what out of me. and why don't we all call it orange head? ;)