When to check or remove eggs

[Jamm972]

Animalzoo I was told that after the hen lays the 2nd egg you can separate the hen from the male and the male will continue to feed the fledgling until it is ready to be on its own. When the fledgling finally is ready(usually when he can crack seeds theirselvs) then you put the male back in with the Hen to help continue their journey with the next clutch.
So Stud is now believed to be a Stud, He was singing today and it was strong and healthy. Thing is I dot have a mate for him this year. Maybe next year, unless I re-pair any of the current hens.
Still 3 whole eggs for Whitey, I am hoping one will hatch tomorrow. I candled one egg today and no light was getting through but I no longer seen any veins and beek appearing though the air sack. We will see though.
The hen With Toopay has started to rebuild a new nest. Toopay still sings not as much but its more than what he was .
Yellow and Orangie have showed no signs of getting along or interest. Orangie tries but Yellow hasn't budged yet.
Blanca and Zorro have made some improvements on the nest. Zorro has been attempting to mount Blanca, one time I observed them being attached and took a little bit of struggle to break free of each other. Not sure what that was about but keeping fingers crossed.
Brownie and Tails still kissing through the bars but neither are showing signs of wanting to build a nest. not sure what to do with them.

The greens on 1 side entices the other mate to want to be with them more. if put on male side it makes hen condition to the male faster if there is any interest. or visa versa feed the hen for the male to want the hen. But usually the male gets the green and will then feed the begging hen causing a bond to form.

This is my update so far. Tomorrow is another morning shift. will give you another update and hopefully we will have 1 chick hatched.

Time for water change and fresh seed.

[Jamm972]

Animalzoo So I woke up and had 2 beautiful chicks this morning. Both Ma and Pa were feeding them. When I got home from work 8 hours later 1 of the babies was on the bottom of the cage. it was still alive so I picked it up blew some warm air on to em and put the baby back into the nest. I think it just fell out . Was very cold. but mama seen me put em back and she immidiatly sat on em to warm em back up. Sure hope he makes it. first 24 to 48 hours is crucial. I am exspecting the 3rd egg to hatch tomorrow. so the nest might get a little crowded. I will try to get pictures but as of right now I don't want to disturb them.
No name, the one with Toopay built more of the nest today. I haven't observed any kissing through the cage as of yet. So will give them another 2 days before I attempt at removing the divider.

Orangie and Yellow Same thing will leave the divider in for a few more days. Yellow hasn't even started t build a nest and Orangie hasn't attempted to feed through the bars.

I don't know about Brownie and Tails. They are feeding each other, but no singing only chirping, and neither have attempted to build a nest. I'm just still unsure about them.

Blanca and Zorro I have added more egg to their diet cause it seems Blanca wants to try for a 3rd clutch. She made improvements to the nest and Zorro has mounted her a few times. So I'm assuming within the next few days she will start to sit on the nest again.

I found out last night that Toopay is a Corona Gloster Crested canary. But has the same pairing rules as a crested canary.

[Animalzoo]

Jamm972 Yay!!!! Chicks. I've got everything crossed that the chicks will be ok. pictures pleeeeeeeeeeeease!

So far sounds like the others are slowly getting there. Keep me posted.

The couple with 5 babies are so active and on it. The hen is often off the nest and both parents are feeding the young.

Romeo and Juliet, the couple with 4, I honestly couldn't tell you. Juliet never leaves the nest. It has been some days now since I last saw the young and can't even confirm if chick 4 hatched. I am monitoring the cage floor though and there is no sign of chicks so assume all is ok. Romeo feeds the hen so assume she is just being coy and not coming off unlike Jill.

Sonny and Cher's chick is ok. Not being plucked or bullied. He's still not eating yet however. I took out the original nest and every now and then I catch Cher on the new nest. I'm unsure if I should divide the baby and the father to get her to finish off the nest. Plus the baby perches on the side of the new nest and is pooing in it.

Mulder and Scully had 2 eggs yesterday, maybe 3 now. Too early to candle.

It's fairly calm in the house today and sounds like the same for you. Let me know how your chicks go.....

[Animalzoo]

I couldn't resist...I poked Juliet off her nest to peek inside. Egg 4 hasn't hatched and according to my records was laid 16 days ago. It 'could' hatch but I doubt it now. All 3 other chicks are ok.

I did divide Sonny and Cher and the chick because I spoke to soon re. the bullying. He had a little bit of blood on his beak and I had noted Cher in her new nest and the baby standing on the side simply just getting in the way. So I assume she's been a bit rough shooing him away. They're a little confused as to why there are bars separating them but hopefully all will be well. I added some additional seed trays specifically for the baby so he could start to learn about feeding himself. Once he's eating alone then he's outta there leaving mum and dad alone for clutch no. 2.

Canaries in general are weird aren't they!
The couple with 5 babies, Jack and Jill are ok. Babies are ok. Just before I left them I was watching the babies being fed and the mum getting fed by dad but no longer than 15 minutes before Jack and Jill were proper squabbling. I had made some adjustments to the cage underneath (sonny and cher) and thought perhaps it was too much and they were going to leave the nest and babies. I don't know about yours but mine don't like to be watched and feeze even when in the middle of feeding the babies if I walk up to the cage. So I decided to leave the room and watch from the other room and voila! They were back to normal....phew!

Hows things your end?

[Jamm972]

Animalzoo Well I have 2 chicks, the 3rd egg I recandled. something is in thre. the egg is partially cracked where it looks like a beek pecked through, but I have a feeling that it didn't make it through the cracking open phase. I'm going to give it another 2 days in hiopes maybe it will hatch tomorrow. One of the chicks was found o the bottom of the cage again. it was still alive so I picked it up and put it back in the nest. I cant tell if Whitey is throwing the chick out of if its just falling out. They chicks seems healthy though. and are getting past the 48 hour critical threshold. I am feeding them extra eggs and shells cause I have a feeling they are going to try for a 3rd clutch only because the 1st clutch was unsuccessful. But I'm in no hurry. just going to sit back and watch and on day 12 put in a clean nest after I see these 2 fledge.
Toopay and Noname....well Noname is building a nest. I haven't observed any feeding through the bars as of yet but going to give them 1 more dat separated. then I will remove the divider.
Blanca and Zorro, there at it again. they really made some great improvements to the nest. I say within about 5 to 7 days more eggs. I have also increased their egg intake to help with producing eggs. I don't want her egg bound.
Orangie and yellow they have been fighting. I cant tell if its because orangie is trying to mate with her. Yellow looks like she is finnaly attempting to build a nest going to give her fresh nesting material.
Tails and Brownie, well I moved the nest to the other side to see if the other one would build a nest. neither are budging. I might just buy 1 more whicker nest and have 1 on each side. Cant figure them out for the life of me.
Stud is a Stud, He is realy singing hard now that he is in his own Home. I might be tempted to pair him up with Tails if brownie and tails done start doing their thing.

Will stay in touch and update you. time for some Ham

[Jamm972]

Animalzoo well here you go here is 2 pics I took of the babies Still hope that 3rd egg will hatch.

[Jamm972]

Animalzoo Great news, Egg 3 hatched tonight. just wanted to let ya know. Hopefully they will stop falling out o the nest lol all 3 look healthy and strong. Will update tomorrow.

[Animalzoo]

Yayyyyy
Omg fingers crossed she stops dropping them out.

I ringed jack and Jill's 3 oldest earlier. I'm terrified she'll start throwing them out like Cher did when I ringed her baby. So I'm watching close.

Juliet's 4th still hasn't hatched so assume it's dead in shell. 3 babies healthy and well.

Scully hasn't moved yet but she might have 4 eggs now.

Cute photos btw, I hope all goes well with them.

[Jamm972]

Animalzoo So far so good on all 3 babies. I think they all will make it
Noname built a whole nest for herself. So I let her and Toopay be together in the breeding cage to see what happens. So far I haven't witnessed or seen any mating action going on. Noname is so ready for breedingher hoohoo I is showing and she keeps flaunting it at Toopay. I'm going to give them about a week in the cage together if not I guess it was meant to be that Toopay wont breed.

I haven't allowed Orangie and Yellow together yet, but I think I did witness them feeding each other this morning. If this is the case that's a good sign. but Yellow hasn't attempted to build a nest yet. From what I read if a hen wont build a nest it means she may not be into the male that is stationed next to her

Brownie and Tails still not seeing any build a nest, but there still feeding each other through the bars. Only time will tell with them 2.

Blanca and Zorro haven't started a new clutch yet, hoping soon. Fingers crossed.

[Animalzoo]

Jamm972
Got some nice pics today...

The older baby has started eating!


I can tell his parents are eager to get on with it. Cher is constantly tweeting and very active, she's eager to get to the male. As soon as that baby is weaned, he's outta there!!

These are the 5 chicks. I ringed baby number 4 today, none have been thrown out the nest either (yet) ...Phew!


Here is their dad sunning himself after a well earned bath


Dinner time for them too...


I must admit, I'm enjoying watching Jack and Jill with their babies. As parents, they just seem relaxed and know what they'e doing. It's a relief

...and these are the 3 littlens with Romeo and Juliet. The 4th egg hasn't hatch so it won't now. I've left it in there but will soon remove.


All very cute and all doing ok.


You know you said Yellow isn't building her nest yet, I had that. So long as the Orangie is feeding her and they get on I let mine mix and soon the nest got build. Perhaps try it? Lets hope Toopay starts to get horny too. Noname deserves some loving hehe.

[Jamm972]

Animalzoo
3 babies woo hoo 3rd baby is catching up to the other 2. they made it past the 48 hour thresh hold woo hoo. Now comes the hard part. Fledging and separating Whitey from Donald so Donald can take over feeding as Whitey prepares for her last clutch.

Blanca and Zorro are giving it a 3rd try. I increased there egg intake to help with stress from producing eggs. Hope 3rd times a charm. So far 1 egg has been laid.

Toopay and Noname been together for over 24 hours getting along ok but don't look like Toopay is horny to try and procreate. Noname built a beautiful nest but not sure if anything is going to happen. Same thing happened with Yellow when they were together.

Bad news blues. Need advice:
Orangie and yellow were put together today. oragie is being mean or very horny. He is plucking out Yellows feathers with his beak. I'm not sure if this is normal or he is just being mean and territorial. They may not be a match but hoping there just playing rough. He is trying to sing to her, but I think she is just not interested in him. they just keep trampling around in circles in the cage playing cat and mouse. Her hoohoo is noticeable, and so is oragies hoohoo. To be honest I think all the hens are prolly interested in Donald. he will sing at each corner of the cage for each hen and get the other males going and singing. lol

So let me know what you think about Orangie and Yellow, if its normal for him to pull her feathers and chase her around or if I should immediately separate them. I worked a long shift today so haven't been able to really observe any behaviors. Tomorrow is also a long day. I just don't want to come home and find yellow bald.

Those are beautiful pics of your chicks I will try to take some of mine when I can, I think I have 2 crested babies because the top of their heads are bald and the other one is very fuzzy lol

[Jamm972]

Animalzoo Where do you purchase your bands? I'm not sure what type or brand or size to order I was thinking of going through L&m bands that's located in California but there is also another site that sells year bands. My issue is if I have clutches from multiple pairs I will need to color band them to know what parents they came from to avoid inbreeding.

Advice ?

[Animalzoo]

Jamm972

re. Orangie and Yellow. Split them up with the divide. I know mating can appear rough but not running around in circles like that. Reduce the stress and separate. I had that with one pair, a few days apart I removed the divide and they've been fine since.

The canary breeder had bands for sale so I bought 25. I've since bought bands from www.aviadid.co.uk for the rest of my birds. But this is a UK based company. Another good one I know of is www.birdbands.com. I assume they're American as all their prices are in dollars. Both websites provide size guides per species. Off the top of my head I can't remember the canary leg size.

My breeder gave me plastic rings for the canaries but I must admit I was amazed how small and pliable their teeny tiny toes were in comparison to the budgie babies I ring. I've done it and will continue to use them but next time I might buy split rings so you can ring them any age. I did that with my zebras and so pleased for it because I would need a magnifying glass to be able to see their little feet if I had to ring them at their correct ringing age.

Split rings are also good to band family lines in plain colours. Both website companies sell year and plain bands and I got mine printed with my initials just because hehe. I plan to sell to private and pet shops so wanted credibility showing the birds banded with the year of birth. See how you get on!!

[Jamm972]

Animalzoo Orangie and yellow were already in a divided cage. I'm just now getting your suggestion. but here is the update. Orangie is not as aggressive to Yellow anymore. I think he was just excited or Super Horny and wanted to get his business done and over with. If that's the case Yellow will be forced to build her nest and start laying eggs within the next 10 days or however long she decides to hold the fertilizer from the male if you know what I mean But either way will give them a few more days to see their behaviors.

Blanca and Zorro now have 2 eggs. This morning though she wan panting according to my mom who was observing her. I think she just never seen a bird lay an egg before. This had me a little concerned so I gave Blanca a little extra egg food this am just to help her if she produces a 3rd or more eggs. I don't want any egg binding in my house. She is a stubborn persistant bird. Is not giving up until she has her own babies. Huey, Duey, and Louey even though I don't know their sex yet are doing great. I think I just discovered how to tell the sex with these 3. 2 our of the 3 have a buldge in the neck like its a adams apple. the 3rd one has a long skinny neck. Wounder if this has anything to do with sex or they just swallowed a bunch of food lol

Still no action from Toopay and Noname. I just don't get him. he should be super crazed right now to want to breed. He was singing for a few days when I first put Noname in the cage with the divider. but now he isn't doing anything except staring and sitting. Also Noname hasn't payed any attention to her nest she built. She hasn't even begged Toopay to mate. I'm beginning to wounder if she is more interested in Donald.

Tails and Brownie, Nothing. I just don't get it. I'm almost so desperate to take them to another breeder to see what he says they are for sex. I am going to separate them in individual cages in a few days to see how their behaviors are and if their is any song. My other alternative is to pair Tails up with another male just to see their behaviors. I don't know. cant win them all for pairs lol. I just hate to separate Tails and brownie cause they feed each other through the divider, but neither are building a nest. they both have their own nests and nesting material....just don't get it. its a mystery unsolved.

I'm just proud to have 2 successful pairs. if Blanca is Successful this round then I might Try pairing up Blanca/Zorro's babies with Donald and Whiteys

its prolly to late to buy the bands but I think I might buy them as needed and get the open ones cause they can be put on at anytime.

So I need some advice. Fledge means the babies can fly and are no longer needing the nest correct ? When this happens I'm considering separating the mama from the babies and let the Dad take over so the mom can rest and build another clean nest. So the questing is Terminology. WHats the next stage...
Clutch, Baby, Fledged, Wheening? How do I know for sure the babies can now feed them selves ?
I know theres web sites but you all can explain it better and in simpler terms

that's my update. I will attach in a separate message a pic of the babies.

[Animalzoo]

Hi Jamm972

Nice update and still looking forward to pictures

I've been getting concerned about Jack and Jill's 5 babies. The youngest is (as normal) not getting a look in when it comes to feeding times. Today I relocated him to the front where mum and dad hop on the side of the nest to feed them. He got fed then next time I looked, he had shuffled around to the back again. Hmmmm Something to monitor....they're all ok apart from this concern.

Romeo and Juliet still have their 3. All ok with them. I'll be looking to ring them the next day or two.

Mulder and scully....well, shes sitting tight on 4 eggs.......but I candled them, none are fertile. Youngest egg is 4 days old. Don't get me wrong, I'm not eager to remove the eggs but as this is their 2nd attempt I did wonder if they would be fertile. The male does all his dad duties, apart from sing. Either one of them is infertile, or they just aren't mating. So watch this space, I have plans and an idea but for now there is no update with this couple.

Sonny and Cher are now together, I let dad through the divide. However it's not ideal. The baby is on his own and feeding himself and can be fed by dad if he demands through bars, although he isnt anymore which is great.....but, mum and dad are in one side of the cage squeezed in. So tomorrow I'm moving the newly weaned littlen to his own penthouse and allowing mum and dad space to crack on with clutch 2.

You asked about fledging and weaning, well I allowed 2 or so days per process.
Fledging
1) when the baby sat on the edge of the nest and continued to move around the cage I left the original nest in there for security.
2) I added nest 2 for mum to make
3) mum made nest 2, I removed nest 1 and baby then sat on the rim on nest 2 but got bullied by mum
4) separate baby and dad from mum with divide to stop bullying
5) try to wean baby asap

Weaning
1) allow dad to feed baby
2) after 2 days, add additional bowls with a) seed, b)water, c) egg food/soft food supplements, d) fresh boiled eggs mashed, e) millet spray. This is in addition to the normal food containers and water bottle drinkers to appeal to the baby to experiment with food.
3) after 2 days baby eats mostly by himself and stops asking for food
4) voila! done. move baby away to allow parents to breed again

For me, fledging to weaning has been 1 week, maybe less 5-6 days. So at now 4 weeks I'm removing the baby! Wow, it's only been 4 weeks. The little cutie hehe