How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

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How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by lovezebs » Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:07 am

Hello all Gouldian Fans.

I have come across pictures of these delicate looking beauties here and there, but have absolutely no idea how breeders achieve these lovely shades .

How does one do this???
What sort of mutations does one have to have, to start working in this direction?

Any thoughts?


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I am talking about pictures # 1 and # 5.
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Re: How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by Smurf » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:49 am

Looks like a black head purple chested silver hen, silver is a bird that's both visual blue + visual pastel (yellow), the 2 body colours combine to give silver.

Some combinations that would produce it are

BH.PC.YB (split blue) cock x any head.PC.BB hen

BH.PC.Pastel Blue cock x any head.PC.YB (split blue) hen


If the hen was also BH then you'd get both cocks and hens of your mutation produced
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Re: How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by hanabi » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:53 am

lovezebs wrote: Hello all Gouldian Fans.
How does one do this???
Ok I'll have a stab at this; I'm sure Debbie will offer any necessary corrections.

Silver back, so for males that would be double yellow + double blue (females single yellow + double blue). The head is white so that makes this bird genetically a black head; males double black, females single black. I'm not sure if that is a purple breasted female or a lilac breasted male.

So to achieve this offspring I would mate (assuming purple breast):

Male: black head (but phenotypically white headed), purple breast, silver back.
Female: same as above.

There are various combinations of splits that can achieve the same results (i.e., male and/or female with split black head, etc.) but the probability of that colour combination appearing will be lower.
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Re: How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by debbie276 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:24 am

Maybe because I joined pinterest I see it differently because I can't see a pic #1 or pic #5.
The only gouldians I see are a BH.PB.Pastel Blue hen and a group of gouldians, assorted body colors. Also there is a picture of 3 goulds that appear to be RH or YH, the two in the front are PB.Pastel Blue hens and the one in the back WB.SF Pastel Blue male. And lastly there is a YH.WB.SF Pastel male.

How to get a Pastel Blue is spot on.
I would not recommend breeding two Blues or two Pastel Blues together though.
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http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

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Re: How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by lovezebs » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:33 am

Smurf & hanabi & debbie276

Thanks for the input.

Here are the pictures that I was referring to.....
Seeing as these appear to be ads, I guess there's no harm in posting them here.

I most particularly like the top one, with the pale pink breast.
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Re: How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by debbie276 » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:37 am

First picture,
BH.PB.Pastel Blue hen
Second picture,
Also there is a picture of 3 goulds that appear to be RH or YH, the two in the front are PB.Pastel Blue hens and the one in the back WB.SF Pastel Blue male.
Did not see the third picture at all but same as the front ones above it.
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Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
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SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

GREAT articles on avian lighting:
https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

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Re: How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by slwatson » Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:37 am

lovezebs

Two of my five juvenile gouldians might possibly have some similar coloring...they're just starting to show more on their fronts. I'll post pics once they finish molting.
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Re: How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by wildbill » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:14 am

You might also like these 2 young birds. At the moment I can't tell you the colour as no-one really knows but I believe these two are the very first and end result from a lime and blue split mutation cross in Australia.
I lost 30 last year and couldn't keep them alive longer than 48 hours so this year I am well ahead. Here's a photo of them 24 hours old. The chicks in question are the 2 purple looking chicks
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Re: How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by lovezebs » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:32 am

slwatson

Looking forward to seeing pictures of these babies, Stacie .... then, I think I will probably turn :mrgreen: with envy.
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Re: How Do You Breed This Mutation Of Gouldians?

Post by lovezebs » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:37 am

wildbill

They are lovely babies!
I so hope that they stay healthy, and turn out to be the mutation that you're hoping for. Keeping my fingers and toes crossed over here.

What's your opinion of the white and pink pretty up above?
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