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Animalzoo So Mello yellow and Donald Jr. are not begging dad as much for food, but Black eye still is. I think Black Eye was the last to hatch. There tail feathers are getting so big. In about 5 more days I will be moving them to a flight cage in hopes that there ready to be without mom and dad. There 2nd clutch after day 5 is about ready to start hatching. I Still need to band them but will prolly do that when I'm moving them to the flight cage to avoid a lot of added stress.
Blanca's babies are growing fast and just like Whitey and Donald, Zorro is already tapping Blanca for next round. Its strange how they work. I thought it was a little to soon. I'm not going to add the 2nd next until the babies at least fledge. Then add the new nest and nesting material. then when the nest is done I will leave the cage open like I did for Whitey and Donald's babies until I start observing them being greedy with the new nest.
Not much to update sense my other post about the others. However I did just to experiment put Toopay in with Stud and Yellow. That lasted for about 45 seconds. Toopay immediately started to go in attack mode so back in his other cage he went.
Blanca's babies are growing fast and just like Whitey and Donald, Zorro is already tapping Blanca for next round. Its strange how they work. I thought it was a little to soon. I'm not going to add the 2nd next until the babies at least fledge. Then add the new nest and nesting material. then when the nest is done I will leave the cage open like I did for Whitey and Donald's babies until I start observing them being greedy with the new nest.
Not much to update sense my other post about the others. However I did just to experiment put Toopay in with Stud and Yellow. That lasted for about 45 seconds. Toopay immediately started to go in attack mode so back in his other cage he went.
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Bahadir Brilliant news. I would think she will lay at least 4 then, maybe 5. What colours are your couple?
@Jamm972 That experiment made me laugh!! Toopay is obviously picky with his friends lol.
So I didnt get any girls yesterday. I went to a few shops looking around and found this amazingly beautiful bright intense red factor but we weren't certain about the gender and sadly the price was far too high for me to consider.
I also went to a local bird society to register so that I can show birds. I've got so much to learn and thought this year I will just go to shows first and talk to breeders and get details so I can buy birds ready for next year's season. Shows here are November time so I'll look forward to going.
In the meantime I asked the guy I registered with if he had any birds for sale which he did but not the colours I wanted. He shows and has trophies everywhere. He confirmed red eyed canaries are rare and sought after however they don't live for as long as normal eyes. So the more I can breed the better. So at this rate I'll pick the prettiest red eye baby my male gives me this season and keep it. Perhaps go for a girl rather than another male.
I was also told that canaries are the 'in' bird right now and so popular in the bird community. So my boyfriend and I are happy to expand our stock and try to breed rare and beautiful sought after types.
I know nothing about Gloster canaries so maybe start to go down that route. I believe glosters are more common with crested heads too. I wonder if Donald is a gloster?
So I'm still in the market for 2 females but I'd prefer to buy them at the same time to add to Mulder simultaneously. I'm taking a gamble on them not to fight anyway so I dont want to have a couple gang up on the 3rd.
I've also seen a new stacked breeder cage setup I'm so tempted with. Look at THIS LINK and see what you think.
It could take 8 pairs which can also be split with divides when and according to the setup per pair. Then I can use my other cages for spare birds and or flights for babies etc. It's a lot of money but certainly an upgrade
@Jamm972 That experiment made me laugh!! Toopay is obviously picky with his friends lol.
So I didnt get any girls yesterday. I went to a few shops looking around and found this amazingly beautiful bright intense red factor but we weren't certain about the gender and sadly the price was far too high for me to consider.
I also went to a local bird society to register so that I can show birds. I've got so much to learn and thought this year I will just go to shows first and talk to breeders and get details so I can buy birds ready for next year's season. Shows here are November time so I'll look forward to going.
In the meantime I asked the guy I registered with if he had any birds for sale which he did but not the colours I wanted. He shows and has trophies everywhere. He confirmed red eyed canaries are rare and sought after however they don't live for as long as normal eyes. So the more I can breed the better. So at this rate I'll pick the prettiest red eye baby my male gives me this season and keep it. Perhaps go for a girl rather than another male.
I was also told that canaries are the 'in' bird right now and so popular in the bird community. So my boyfriend and I are happy to expand our stock and try to breed rare and beautiful sought after types.
I know nothing about Gloster canaries so maybe start to go down that route. I believe glosters are more common with crested heads too. I wonder if Donald is a gloster?
So I'm still in the market for 2 females but I'd prefer to buy them at the same time to add to Mulder simultaneously. I'm taking a gamble on them not to fight anyway so I dont want to have a couple gang up on the 3rd.
I've also seen a new stacked breeder cage setup I'm so tempted with. Look at THIS LINK and see what you think.
It could take 8 pairs which can also be split with divides when and according to the setup per pair. Then I can use my other cages for spare birds and or flights for babies etc. It's a lot of money but certainly an upgrade

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Before april ends, i want to buy a new pair also. But gloster is expensive. Maybe i will buy a pair of the fife. I am learning the everything from here then i can handle a pair more.
Before april ends, i want to buy a new pair also. But gloster is expensive. Maybe i will buy a pair of the fife. I am learning the everything from here then i can handle a pair more.
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Animalzoo I also wanted to register for shows just to see how it works. I like how Jr looks and think he is a prize. that's if he is a he and sings.
I'm just not sure what the key words are to search for local shows for breeders.
Toopay is a Corona Gloster. I think that's half my problem. He just aint seen anything that peeks his interest.
I like the looks of those cages. They seem a little cramped though, where would you put the nest?
Yes Corona's are part of the crested Family. its just a matter of having them carry the Gene. I do know that the Corona and crested Genes are lethal, lowers the success rate drastically for success.
Looks like Jr was trying to sing today, that or he is doing a lot of Chirping lol
I did a search for clubs/shows. Didn't come up with much but did get some numbers and e-mails. Guess its a start. My income is limited right now so traveling far distances it out of the question.
I'm just not sure what the key words are to search for local shows for breeders.
Toopay is a Corona Gloster. I think that's half my problem. He just aint seen anything that peeks his interest.
I like the looks of those cages. They seem a little cramped though, where would you put the nest?
Yes Corona's are part of the crested Family. its just a matter of having them carry the Gene. I do know that the Corona and crested Genes are lethal, lowers the success rate drastically for success.
Looks like Jr was trying to sing today, that or he is doing a lot of Chirping lol
I did a search for clubs/shows. Didn't come up with much but did get some numbers and e-mails. Guess its a start. My income is limited right now so traveling far distances it out of the question.
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My American Singer hen has begun laying again, three eggs so far. She's begun to sit at night. The male isn't housed with her since he is so aggressive but the two mated a few times last week during their out of cage free-fly sessions, so this clutch should be fertile. Hope she is a better mom without the male harassing her on the nest. If I have to hand feed again I will, but it is a full time job, and I'm already past week 3 with her last bunch.
My five hand feds are beginning to eat on their own now but just a few nibbles, though, they can fly like little rockets now and look like full grown birds! I need to take pictures.
My five hand feds are beginning to eat on their own now but just a few nibbles, though, they can fly like little rockets now and look like full grown birds! I need to take pictures.
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Sheather wow I envy you on hand feeding them. That is a big project. I tried attepting it this year but I couldn't find the right rools on what to use to hand feed them. hand fed canaries don't have the fear of humans as non fed canaries do. Plus they are trainable to do stuff like come to you when called. Would love to see pics 
I'm not sure how separating the male from the hen works. I have been to afraid to do so this year. For example. I have a male with his hen right now they are on there second clutch. He feeds not only the first babies through the bars but is also feeding the hen when she begs for food. Heres the kicker though. I have other hens in the room paired with other "males" I hope. but so far no success in mating. But the current male that has mated and had clutches he is trying to build a second nest on top of the one the hen is already sitting on 4 eggs with. I would love to move him out of the cage and put him in with another hen but I'm to afraid it will interfere with the current clutch cycle, of the make being in with the hen throughout the whole hatching cycle.
I have considered maybe once the babies are finnaly weaned off daddy feeding them that I move them to a flight cage, and reintroduce another hen into the same cage with the divider of course. just to see if they will build a nest and beg the male to inseminate them as well.
I have 1 definent hen and another possible hen that haven't successfully mated and started there first clutch. kind of frustrating.
I am however Aniamalzoo trying something new. I blocked the sight off of each pair so they cant see other pairs in hopes that will encourage mating between the ones they are currently with. I think being able to see the other pairs is a distraction. Fingers crossed.

I'm not sure how separating the male from the hen works. I have been to afraid to do so this year. For example. I have a male with his hen right now they are on there second clutch. He feeds not only the first babies through the bars but is also feeding the hen when she begs for food. Heres the kicker though. I have other hens in the room paired with other "males" I hope. but so far no success in mating. But the current male that has mated and had clutches he is trying to build a second nest on top of the one the hen is already sitting on 4 eggs with. I would love to move him out of the cage and put him in with another hen but I'm to afraid it will interfere with the current clutch cycle, of the make being in with the hen throughout the whole hatching cycle.
I have considered maybe once the babies are finnaly weaned off daddy feeding them that I move them to a flight cage, and reintroduce another hen into the same cage with the divider of course. just to see if they will build a nest and beg the male to inseminate them as well.
I have 1 definent hen and another possible hen that haven't successfully mated and started there first clutch. kind of frustrating.
I am however Aniamalzoo trying something new. I blocked the sight off of each pair so they cant see other pairs in hopes that will encourage mating between the ones they are currently with. I think being able to see the other pairs is a distraction. Fingers crossed.
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Animalzoo I forgot to add that sense I blocked off there view there songs have been going nuts.
Not sure if you understood my last post but Donald was playing with the left over nesting material carrying it to the corner. Not sure whats up with that. I think he is either saving it for a 3rd round and or wanting another hen to come to his cage.
He still is feeding the babies because they are begging him for food. They seem to be eating more and more on there own. I just hope I can separate them by next Tuesday so they have the full cage to stretch, and or room for me to add a 2nd hen so Whitey can get a break from the mating cycle.
What do you think ? Its funny you have a male that needs a hen and I have Hens that need a male lol....

Not sure if you understood my last post but Donald was playing with the left over nesting material carrying it to the corner. Not sure whats up with that. I think he is either saving it for a 3rd round and or wanting another hen to come to his cage.
He still is feeding the babies because they are begging him for food. They seem to be eating more and more on there own. I just hope I can separate them by next Tuesday so they have the full cage to stretch, and or room for me to add a 2nd hen so Whitey can get a break from the mating cycle.
What do you think ? Its funny you have a male that needs a hen and I have Hens that need a male lol....
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Animalzoo So I just ready this http://www.yccuk.com/briankeenan/whentomove.html it seems to be helpful on when I should move the chicks. As of today all 3 chicks are 24 to 26 days old. I do have the winer's still begging for food but I also have seen them in their own food dish exploring the seed.
So I think today I'm going to prepare the flight cage for the Communal Nursery.
So I think today I'm going to prepare the flight cage for the Communal Nursery.
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To much input on my baby canaries, 1 thing says remove them and put them into a weining community flight cage, another place says keep them in the same cage until the parents no longer feed them. Another place says 3 weeks which mine are right at the 3 week/24 day mark. I do know the new babies will hatch in about another 5 to 6 days.
I was hoping to clean and disinfect the one side of the cage before hand.
@Animalzoo So I decided to wait until these babies hatch....Donald is already mating with Whitey and the next clutch hasn't even hatched yet. The funny thing is Whitey is begging/teasing him.
What I decided to do is Bring in another hen on the other side after it gets cleaned and see if Donald wants to mate with her too.
They say to do this with your champion males because having just 1 mate isn't enough. Well I think I have one of them. I'm not forcing them to breed there doing it all on there own. What I'm thinking is if they were in the wild they would be doing this to themselves. I just want to give Whitey a rest after this next clutch. Funny thing is I think she already is storing up for round 3. Which means I will have to add in a side nest. This is a hard learning experience with this pair.
Blanca she has already left her nest and is wanting to start another 1 and the 2 babies haven't even fledged yet. Not sure whats up with that, but will see what happens in the next few days. they say to wait at least 14 days before adding a new nest regardless if there ready or not.
Sense this is my first year I cant really mess things up. So guess I will just experiment and see what happens.
I also have another issue that's going to come up in a few weeks
I was hoping to clean and disinfect the one side of the cage before hand.
@Animalzoo So I decided to wait until these babies hatch....Donald is already mating with Whitey and the next clutch hasn't even hatched yet. The funny thing is Whitey is begging/teasing him.
What I decided to do is Bring in another hen on the other side after it gets cleaned and see if Donald wants to mate with her too.
They say to do this with your champion males because having just 1 mate isn't enough. Well I think I have one of them. I'm not forcing them to breed there doing it all on there own. What I'm thinking is if they were in the wild they would be doing this to themselves. I just want to give Whitey a rest after this next clutch. Funny thing is I think she already is storing up for round 3. Which means I will have to add in a side nest. This is a hard learning experience with this pair.
Blanca she has already left her nest and is wanting to start another 1 and the 2 babies haven't even fledged yet. Not sure whats up with that, but will see what happens in the next few days. they say to wait at least 14 days before adding a new nest regardless if there ready or not.
Sense this is my first year I cant really mess things up. So guess I will just experiment and see what happens.
I also have another issue that's going to come up in a few weeks
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I just feed these guys with the back of a match dipped in formula made to a pudding consistency. It has worked just as well for fledges as for 3 day old babies.
Here's some baby pics. None are too great - they don't sit still!



And Dad...

...and mom on her nest.

Here's some baby pics. None are too great - they don't sit still!



And Dad...

...and mom on her nest.

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Today 4th egg is in nest. I must tell them about family planning. How can they care 4 babies if all of the eggs are fertile.
Today 4th egg is in nest. I must tell them about family planning. How can they care 4 babies if all of the eggs are fertile.
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Bahadir Trust me they will find a way. Egg 4 will have difficulty when it hatches because its the youngest, that's why they suggest we replace eggs with dummies. until 4th egg is laid then you put them all together. What happens is the oldest get stronger and can beg for food easier and push the weakest aside to be fed first. But trust me, if the parents are good parents they all will be ok and will manage.
Some people will say don't mess with nature, but here is the thing, we helped Bald eagles from being extinct to now being very popular again and are finally off the extinction list. We as well offer ourselves better medicine to live longer lives so why cant we do the same for lesser life forms allowing more eggs and babies to survive by removing the eggs and putting them back. Any way, trust me it should be ok. Its a matter of how the parents are and how they were taught.
@Sheather wow is that a whole room dedicated to just birds? I sure wish I could do that. I mean I could but I would have to cut off half the laundry room so I can still take care of my every day chores in the same room. Love the pics
I used to own 4 cockatiels then 1 for away and a week later I found a newspaper add stating they found a cockatiel in front of the newspaper building, weak, and tired. When I went to go claim the bird as my own showing them pictures they said some one else claim the bird before the add was even placed. I just hope that he was put in a good home. After that though I kind of lost interest in them and gave the other 3 away. But here I am 18 years later with Canaries.
I just might think about breeding other types of birds but I'm still a beginner. so will start here 
@Animalzoo Hope all is well with you haven't herd from you in a wile. had a few updates and questions asking your advice. Guess work has been busy along with the birds. Talk soon I hope
Until later everybody.

@Sheather wow is that a whole room dedicated to just birds? I sure wish I could do that. I mean I could but I would have to cut off half the laundry room so I can still take care of my every day chores in the same room. Love the pics

I used to own 4 cockatiels then 1 for away and a week later I found a newspaper add stating they found a cockatiel in front of the newspaper building, weak, and tired. When I went to go claim the bird as my own showing them pictures they said some one else claim the bird before the add was even placed. I just hope that he was put in a good home. After that though I kind of lost interest in them and gave the other 3 away. But here I am 18 years later with Canaries.


@Animalzoo Hope all is well with you haven't herd from you in a wile. had a few updates and questions asking your advice. Guess work has been busy along with the birds. Talk soon I hope

Until later everybody.
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Sheather ^ what I said up there only lets me tag 1 person now per post.
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