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Post by dfcauley » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:06 pm

oh gosh.... that is so scarey! I am allergic to cats and do not have any.
My two little dogs are cat dog. :lol: They sit on the back of my couch and watch my birds in the sunroom flying all around. I have no doubt if they could get one they would kill them. But there is NO way they have access to them.

Take great caution....
Your birds are beautiful. Hope you enjoy them.
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Post by L in Ontario » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:01 pm

Wow - your new BCCB's look beautiful, Mike!!! Where did you get them?
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Post by mike » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:08 pm

I won’t be letting the cats into that room any more. One cat is pretty decent, he just watches and walks away after a while (but I also found him eating while lying down in front of his food bowl so he’s pretty lazy). The other one, he’s trouble. He’d probably eat me if I was small enough. The picture I took is right in the middle of the cats harassing them so they look sort of scruffy.
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L in Ontario wrote:Wow - your new BCCB's look beautiful, Mike!!! Where did you get them?
Thank you very much! They look a little better now that they’ve relaxed a bit. They ate all the mealworms I gave them (about 10) but they aren’t too fond of the pupae. They chewed a few up. They like the egg food though. I used this recipe (http://www.finchinfo.com/diet/egg_mixes ... _foods.php) because it was simple. The female likes the shell and crunches the bits. I don’t eat eggs so I had to swipe one from my mom’s house :D

I got the birds from someone in Toronto. I posted an ad on kijiji looking for cordon blues and he contacted me within the following 2 days. He got 2 pairs in a trade for a pair of siskins (they produce a very nice song, btw) but what he really wanted was the cash for the siskins, not the cordon blues, so he was happy to have me take a pair.
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Post by franny » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:07 pm

I had a siamese cat years ago when I had my societies. They were in a cage I built myself of 1/2" hardware cloth. The cat could climb up the side of the cage and lie on the top and look down at the birds. But because of the small guage wire she couldn't get her paws in. She would lay on top for hours though, watching them. I'd come home and find her face down on the cage top, sound asleep! :lol:

The societies were so laid back that they got used to her and pretty much ignored her, and even raised babies. As she got older and fatter, she found it harder to climb the cage. It was on a stand about 3 feet off the ground. She would sit in front of it, and then jump straight up, to peek at them when she heard them scrabbling around on the bottom of the cage. It must have looked funny to them, to see this head pop up and then drop out of site. :D

Maybe I was lucky, but no harm came to them or the cat. The only time I ever shut her away was when I was cleaning the cage, in case a bird slipped by my arm.

My current cat is 13, and she's too old and lazy to climb my cage, so is content to sit on the back of a chair and press her face up to the cage. The goldbreasts ignore her. They are more nervous of me than the cat. But again, this cage is not a store bought cage, with no gaps for escapes. So except for cleaning time, there is no way for the cat to open doors or get a paw in, or on the birds.

I think you will find that eventually, when they find they can't get in the cage, they will tire of the birds to some degree. But in any cage but the 1/2" square wire, I would definitely supervise when they are birdwatching! :lol:
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Post by mike » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:09 pm

I'm sure you're right. With time it will become easier to let the cats in once in a while. Right now they are young and totally obsessed with killing the birds. One of them stole a pack of feathers I got for nesting (it was cute watching him carry the pack so I let him have them for a while) and when I went to get them, the feather massacre in the living room was scary.

Good news: the finches sang today! I could hear it through the door and into the living room.
Bad news: birds smell. The bedroom smells "birdy" so I added an air purifier. It hasn't got rid of the smell much. I'm not sure I like it.
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Post by CandoAviary » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:22 pm

They smell???
Usually birds don't smell unless the cage is dirty, or nest full of pooping babies.
Some bird diareah may cause odor...this would be a concern.Could be a health problem. Seed gotten wet and germinating can smell.
I just can't imagine that 2 little birds in a new cage would produce an unpleasant smell.
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Post by franny » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:25 pm

mike wrote:I'm sure you're right. With time it will become easier to let the cats in once in a while. Right now they are young and totally obsessed with killing the birds. One of them stole a pack of feathers I got for nesting (it was cute watching him carry the pack so I let him have them for a while) and when I went to get them, the feather massacre in the living room was scary.

Good news: the finches sang today! I could hear it through the door and into the living room.
Bad news: birds smell. The :shock: bedroom smells "birdy" so I added an air purifier. It hasn't got rid of the smell much. I'm not sure I like it.
I change the paper on the bottom of my cage every day, or every 2nd day at the very least. I can't say that I've noticed a bad smell, even on the end of the 2nd day. The chances are the smell is actually something in the seed mix or the eggfood you are feeding. If you buy seed that has the colored bits in it, it's loaded with sugar which promotes bacterial growth...or if you have a seed that has fruit added, it has an odd smell. I suggest you check first, that the bad smell isn't coming from what you are feeding. It's really highly unlikely that it's the bird poop. :lol: either change seed mixes, or just remove the eggfood after 2 or 3 hours and discard. There is no way that 2 birds by themselves should smell bad.
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Post by B CAMP » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:26 pm

Some kinds of air freshners can be bad for birds
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Post by L in Ontario » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:27 pm

I recall someone else said their birds 'smelled' a while ago too. I have a birdroom full of around 50 various finches and 4 large parrots - I very rarely notice any smell.

Make sure their seed dish isn't getting wet or their nest maybe...?
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Post by franny » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:45 pm

L in Ontario wrote:I recall someone else said their birds 'smelled' a while ago too. I have a birdroom full of around 50 various finches and 4 large parrots - I very rarely notice any smell.

Make sure their seed dish isn't getting wet or their nest maybe...?
Yes, that was someone who had 13 zebras in a cage. Turned out it was the food! :D
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Post by mike » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:55 pm

When I was a kid I occasionally scooped up the odd fledgling and held onto it for a couple days until it flew away. And as a kid I sniffed them (horrifying my mother of course). The smell is like that. It isn't strong or overpowering or anything. It's just "bird-like".
Also, the eggfood wasn't in the cage overnight. I removed it about 2 hours after I offered it when it started to dry.
I'm more inclined to believe as CandoAviary wrote that it's diarrhea or maybe some parasitic infection. The droppings have been a little watery so I'll keep watching them.
Ultimately, it may just be that I'm sensitive to the smell because it is new. If I were to walk into the room and not know there were birds in there I wouldn't even notice it. I can smell a dog from a 100 miles away because I don't have one but I can't smell a cat (although cats are inherently less "scenty").

The seed doesn't have any coloured bits but I'm going to stick my nose in the bag and see if it smells. Then I'll remove the food dish and water dish and see if they smell. Then I'll change the papers.

They haven't touched their nests yet except to hop on them to get away from me when I was adding more silk plants. I didn't put anything in the nests so they shouldn't smell just yet. Maybe I'll add a couple feathers.

The air purifier is just a HEPA purifier. It isn't adding anything to the air so I think it should be safe.
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Post by mike » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:03 pm

Update: it's the poo on the newspaper that smells. The seed actually smells really nice! Spicey! I changed the paper so we'll see if it smells tomorrow morning. Thanks for all of the advice!
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Post by franny » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:18 pm

I don't like the smell of damp newspaper. I use a brown kraft paper on a roll, bought at a moving/storage company. Huge roll about 1100 feet long and 24" wide. Should last over a year (was $24).
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Post by Sally » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:40 pm

franny wrote:I don't like the smell of damp newspaper. I use a brown kraft paper on a roll, bought at a moving/storage company. Huge roll about 1100 feet long and 24" wide. Should last over a year (was $24).
I usually go the cheapest route I can, and since I take the daily newspaper, that's free cage liners. However, that kraft paper at that price is a pretty good deal! May have to look into that.
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Post by CandoAviary » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:14 am

Continue to monitor the poop...If it is still runny or smelly could be girardia or something..... just like in humans diareah smells!!!!
A new move could of cause a little stress and just upset the system.
I had a grasskeet that produce watery greenish poop that smelled awful. I knew when I walked into the bird building something was amiss. I wormed her with and put her on sulfcox and she cleared up and the smell cleared out.
It is normal for the bird to have a little upset in it's digestion due to new water, new food, a little moving stress..... but if the birds continue to smell have your vet check out a poop sample.

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