GOULDIAN WITH A FUSION BAR!

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Post by Misso » Wed May 06, 2009 2:06 am

Hi Tiffiany, thanks for the info, i won't be catching him up as he is currently in a breeding cabinet with his Hen which have just started laying eggs, so im not going to disturb them, did you find out this infomation from a website or book? or learnt from another breeder?

So if i check that the red line goes right across without a break in it that means he is a True RL ???? if it dos'nt what does he have then? a fake RL ???? how does a bird get a fake RL ??? do you know?

sorry for all the questions im very intrested in this

Jarryd :)




nixity wrote:Most people refer to this as "red-line," "RL," I think simply because it's more descriptive :)

Either way, The genetics are autosomal recessive, so it's possible to pair two non-RL birds together and get RL offspring.

The important thing is determining whether or not the bird is actually "RL".

The easiest way to do this to catch the bird and push back the feathers in this area so they flip down like a flip-motion-book (or, you can wait for a feather in this area to fall out or [eek!] pluck one).

With a true RL, you will be able to distinctly see the red line going across each individual feather in this area.

Some are more noticeable than others - this particular bird has a very faint line showing.
It would be interesting to see if when you check, it truly is RL.
Then - you may be able to produce more if you happen to have a bird that carries a recessive copy :)
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Post by Misso » Wed May 06, 2009 2:11 am

Hi Liz thanks for the info and pic, i too feel its only males that display it, still need to confirm this!

I just asked a couple aussie breeders that have some, they say some yrs its alot brighter especially after molt, then the next yr it may be faint, then the next molt it can be brighter again.

im still researching

Jarryd :)



L in Ontario wrote:Okay I think you birds RL shows up much better than mine. Bird #2 and 3 in this photo have a slight RL (#2 more than #3 I think).

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The parents for those two are:

C= RH/B WB SFYB
H= HB/O WB GB

And I checked - it seems to only be on some of my male juvies - no females.
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Post by nixity » Thu May 07, 2009 9:26 am

Hi Misso, the few conversations I have had about RL goulds has been with Misty LaRue. I think she'd be the best person to speak to regarding it, because she's actively trying to produce them in her flock.

She confirmed last night that she has only ever seen it in hens, too, but that she has had two non-RL birds produce RL males.. so that is very interesting!

I believe she is on this group, so maybe she will see this, otherwise you can probably email her :)
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Post by Misso » Thu May 07, 2009 10:04 am

nixity wrote:Hi Misso, the few conversations I have had about RL goulds has been with Misty LaRue. I think she'd be the best person to speak to regarding it, because she's actively trying to produce them in her flock.

She confirmed last night that she has only ever seen it in hens, too, but that she has had two non-RL birds produce RL males.. so that is very interesting!

I believe she is on this group, so maybe she will see this, otherwise you can probably email her :)
mistylarue@bellsouth.net
Thanks Tiffany, i just emailed her then, appriciate the help

Jarryd :)
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Post by nixity » Thu May 07, 2009 10:09 am

Sorry, I meant to say "She has only ever seen it in MALES", not hens!
Oops! :shock:

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Post by MLaRue » Thu May 07, 2009 11:13 am

Hi Jarryd,

I love the red lines and it seems you do too! :)

The pair that produced 8 red line males for me did not visually have a red line. I still have the father but the mother (Sylvie) passed late last year. :( So, I'm left with two problems. I did not get one female from this pair! The male (Winston) came from a breeder that keeps records from the beginning of time and she believes he did not have any birds on his ancestor list with visual red lines. But is seeing Winston's sisters produce red lines. I do not know any history on Sylvie.

I kept all 8 babies and will test breed them to see if they will give their daughters the gene. I have several birds in my aviary with red lines. Green body, yellow body and dilutes which are of course a darker color of the yellow body (same bird). I'm sure Tiffany can help with the fancy genetic names! :wink: I have purple chest and white chest red line males. I've never seen this on a female.

What I find interesting is who really passes the gene - female or male? Could it be both? Or was I just lucky and had a female that was a carrier for the gene? But what were the chances of every baby getting the red line? And, why are Winston's sisters producing the red line now? Could it be just luck and their mates are carriers.

Since the red line is so uncommon anymore I feel that genetics will prove that both parents have to be a carrier of the gene. But this is JMHO. :)

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Misty LaRue

I would attach a picture but can't seem to get it to work? Tiffany? :?

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Post by nixity » Thu May 07, 2009 11:18 am

I go to http://imageshack.us
There I upload the image, and I use the first link it provides after uploading the photo (scroll down on the page) to insert the image into a forum. There are three or four options I think, I just use the top one.

This is the only way I've been able to put the photos in my posts :?

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Post by MLaRue » Thu May 07, 2009 11:27 am

Jarryd,

One more thing - take a look at Winnie's website. You will see several of her birds with the red lines.

http://www.geocities.com/gfinches2/Delm ... dians.html

Winnie has been a wonderful mentor to me.

On page three of her pictures you will see where she has pulled the feathers out to photograph the red line. :)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11859828@N05/page3/

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Post by dfcauley » Thu May 07, 2009 7:56 pm

L in Ontario wrote:I believe the fusion bar is visible on some purple breasted Gouldians as well. I was surprised to see it on my white breasted Gould juvies.
I have this beautiful dilute male that is almost colored up. I believe he has a fusion bar on him. I probably never would have noticed it had it not been mentioned in this post.

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Post by L in Ontario » Thu May 07, 2009 8:14 pm

Wow - is he lilac breasted, Donna?
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Post by lovemyfinch » Thu May 07, 2009 8:17 pm

He's beeeautiful :shock: And yes I can see the fusion bar too. :D
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Post by nixity » Thu May 07, 2009 10:39 pm

Donna - WOW..
That is a STUNNING dilute.

I have always been more partial to BH or OH dilutes just because of the color contrast, but that RH is absolutely striking.

Gorgeous - sometimes one photo isn't enough [I can show two photos where one looks like its there, in the next photo though, it's gone? very weird!], but in this photo it does look as though he has it!

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Post by CandoAviary » Thu May 07, 2009 11:55 pm

Looks like a red line to me, that IS a beautiful bird.... will you be selling him ?

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Post by dfcauley » Fri May 08, 2009 5:25 am

L in Ontario wrote:Wow - is he lilac breasted, Donna?
Yes he is lilac breasted. I am going to take a picture of his back and post it tonight. I have been watching and waiting for this bird to color up for some time. I knew he was going to be beautiful. He has been from the beginning.

He has a very beautiful colored dilute back. And yes.... he is up for grabs. :lol: I will probably be taking him to the July bird mart and if no one from the foum claims him, he will go to Floyd. I have enough cocks and am in need of some nice hens. :lol:
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Post by GOULDYGIRL » Fri May 08, 2009 10:27 am

You have the most beautiful birds Donna!! All your birds are so beautifully colored. Especially your goulds and parrot finches.

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