Zebra quanundrum (update Nov 17)

[L in Ontario]

"Patches" is a very suitable name for him and he's very handsome with tight feathering too!

Well one of the light coloured babies was out this afternoon when I got home. Then it was in the nestbox, then a light coloured one was out of the nestbox and I don't know if it was the same one or not. They are all in now - I have a feeling all the babies have been in and out all day long!

But I have the weekend to watch them and if I see them all out - that nestbox is coming off!!

PS - interesting discussion above as I know nothing about these mutations.

[cindy]

Thanks Liz, My daughter loves the pair. John you sent such sweet birds.

Liz, I think your little ones are so very pretty. Can't wait to see how they turn out. Lots of pictures please.

[JohnBoy]

My male does not look this light or anything like this.

Then it isn't a fawn. We have some normal grays with a reddish brown cast on their back. I assume this is what you mean by cinnamon backed? Never heard them referred to by a different distinction before. Just normal gray.

We always called them just Cinnamon. The back is a light to medium rufous color or cinnamon color. Very pretty birds. But they are not normals in old school terms. They are Cinnamons!

[cindy]

He is just real pretty in person, the picture doesn't do him justice.

Love him!!!!

[CandoAviary]

Interesting zebra talk I have been missing Been out, big date night.

John, I think what you may be referring to, (the lighter brown, tan, redish shades )is what they now call light back. I have seen many shades of back colors referred to as lightbacks. Other than the back color they look just like greys. From Cindy's pictures that would be my best guess. Here is a picture and text
http://zebrafinch.info/colours/?mutatio ... er=2&zfd=1
and also
http://www.zebrafinch.com/NewZebra/lightback.html


Cindy,
Mutations don't matter unless you want to show...or are just curious. This is part of the hobby that fascinates me alot.

Rory,
Yes, I agree that the phaeos are BF,BB and FF crosses. In my earlier post I mentioned that that is what I would like to breed for.
Ended up with 'Weebles' Will get back into it after the goulds.
Isabel and FF are the same looking type birds though they were derived differently. Much like a single factor yellow gouldian can look like a green dilute gouldian .. you get simular looking birds yet through different genes. That may not be the best example of gouldian color to use but it's the best I can give with my gouldian genetic logic
Sorry to hear you have had loses and health issues with your hens.


Liz,....Beautiful chicks...whatever they may be

[cindy]

John is the original breeder of this bird. He as the breeder should know, to both of us it is a cinnamon colored back. Not light. No debates.

The bird does not have a "light back" but looks like the color of a jar of cinnamon and sugar that has been sprinkled on his back. He is stunning under the lights.

[CandoAviary]

Cindy,
Yes, many of the breeders that have bred for many years, me included, have called them cinnoman. Many still do. Lot's of name changes occur over the years in the progression of mutations. I just try to stay current. I did not offer this advice as a debate. Just helpful information.

[cindy]

Whatever Candace, he is a beautiful bird in person and John did good.

[JohnBoy]

It's hard keeping up with all the mutations, name changes etc., especially when you have been breeding birds for 40 years and are set in your old school ways. I still do things old school, I guess it's hard to teach an old bird breeder new ways, especially when the old ways still work for you.. Light back, cinnamon, fawn whatever. In my book it is a cinnamon, not a fawn, not a light back, not a normal with a red brown back. When people ask me what the mutation is I will tell them it is debatable but I call it cinnamon.

[CandoAviary]

JohnBoy,
I know what you mean... that's why I was tickled at being taken back to old school terms...I knew exactly what Cindy was describing. I am from that early breeding era too. I am constantly ribbed from the younger breeders or given that look of 'What?'
Hope you didn't also take this info as anything disrespectful of the birds you bred... again, just sharing some info from some that was shared with me on the mutations I personally love to learn new stuff.
What do you think Liz's chicks are?

[JohnBoy]

Candace I would call the one with the yellowish brown a fawn. And the one with the reddish brown a cinnamon.

[CandoAviary]

You know... the people who know the mutations will know what they are looking at and the people who don't know the mutations won't care
I personnaly breed just to get the colors that I find appealing. I try to know what they are to tell others when they ask. I am sure when I take some to the bird fair they will be called every name out there possible . Old school, new school and some I've never heard of.
I think Liz is like me in that she pairs a couple of zebras and then sometimes gets something unexpected and is curious to know what it is. This is how I have come to researching these mutations....just trying to figure out what I am producing. Manytimes stock I bought has had a varied background unknown to me and you can end up with some real surprizes in the looks of your offsprings. Thankfully there is a lot of info out there on the web and I have met many helpful and knowledgable breeders along the way. One of the best lives in your neck of the woods, Garrie Landry